Posts by Viviane

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Are you religious or are you spiritual? Wake up to what?

by Deltawave in

there is a huge difference between been religious and been spiritual.

been religious is about been superior to others in the sight of god.

however, been spiritual is about self awareness, inner peace and unity with the natural world.

Viviane

Flippin Norah, remind me never to cross viviane!

No one has crossed me. I just don't tolerate promoting woo as reality and misrepresenting facts.

You'll be fine so long as you never form an opinion on anything and be so bold as to post it.

Well that's just utterly untrue and ridiculous.

It seems to me that what gets her going is when someone forms an opinion on something and then posts it as fact.
In learning to strip off my irrational old personality, I realize that there is a big difference between stating an opinion and stating an opinion as fact.
So, me posting that statement as fact is gonna get Viviane all riled up.
However, I don't think she'll say I can't have that opinion, even if she views it as wrong and incorrect and irrational (which, admittedly, it is irrational).

Winner winner, chicken dinner!

Deltawave has on a recent thread described accurately the Watchtower discussion at the meeting. He is not Brahma Kumaris, just a JW trying to leave and looking for help. Disgusted! He can't even spell! He is not a threat.

I can accurately describe a WT discussion and I've not been to a meeting in almost 6 years. Deltawave has a name that it directly associated with the meditative practive of the BKs, is promoting meditation and the teachings of the BKs.

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Are you religious or are you spiritual? Wake up to what?

by Deltawave in

there is a huge difference between been religious and been spiritual.

been religious is about been superior to others in the sight of god.

however, been spiritual is about self awareness, inner peace and unity with the natural world.

Viviane

I think it's best, in the interest of peace that we all (exception made to Viviane) stop making general statements that common sense (except Viviane's common sense, if it can be proven to exist in lab controlled conditions, I'm just working on an assumption here) would understand it as not applying to 100% of mankind without qualifying first that we're not speaking in her name.

Aw, look at you trying make personal attacks. You're totes adorbs when you do that.

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Are you religious or are you spiritual? Wake up to what?

by Deltawave in

there is a huge difference between been religious and been spiritual.

been religious is about been superior to others in the sight of god.

however, been spiritual is about self awareness, inner peace and unity with the natural world.

Viviane

evidence?

The name "Deltawave", the promotion of the Brahma Kumari ideas and the fact that this has all happened several times over the past few months.

this discussion is only connected with atheism in that smug atheists such as yourself seem to take delight in p1ssing all over the beliefs of others.

Oh, so, now you get corrected for the third time today. I piss on unsubstantiated claims. If another atheists were saying the earth were flat or that he could fly or that a teapot orbits Mars I would piss on that just as much, just as I am doing to your false and claim lacking in knowledge regarding my attitude or what I take delight in.

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Are you religious or are you spiritual? Wake up to what?

by Deltawave in

there is a huge difference between been religious and been spiritual.

been religious is about been superior to others in the sight of god.

however, been spiritual is about self awareness, inner peace and unity with the natural world.

Viviane

I have never heard that expression in my entire life. Wow.

It happens. It's amazing sometimes that you can go your entire life without knowing what many consider to be common knowledge. Last year someone was at my house helping made a dinner for some friends and asked for a ramekin. I had no idea that a small bowl was called a ramekin but everyone else said that was common knowledge that everyone knew.

I've no idea how I managed to go my entire life never knowing that.

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Are you religious or are you spiritual? Wake up to what?

by Deltawave in

there is a huge difference between been religious and been spiritual.

been religious is about been superior to others in the sight of god.

however, been spiritual is about self awareness, inner peace and unity with the natural world.

Viviane

Have a day off, for f*ck's sake.

Now you've been correct twice.

To someone new here, i.e. Deltawave, you don't show atheism in a particularly good light.

First, Deltawave is almost certainly a revamp of the Brahma Kumaris who periodically show up, preach, get booted, make a new account, rinse and repeat.

Secondly, this discussion has zero to do with atheism, but rather making false claims and displaying arrogance when trying to promote those blatantly false claims.

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Are you religious or are you spiritual? Wake up to what?

by Deltawave in

there is a huge difference between been religious and been spiritual.

been religious is about been superior to others in the sight of god.

however, been spiritual is about self awareness, inner peace and unity with the natural world.

Viviane

Can I just ask, what the hell is "woo?" I thought it was a typo earlier in the thread.

woo

n.(or adj), the way a person is when they uncritically believe unsubstantiated or unfounded ideas. Short for "woo woo".(See Russell's definition of woo woo)

Shirley believes that in a past life she was the Jolly Green Giant of Rainbowland. Shirley is very woo.

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Are you religious or are you spiritual? Wake up to what?

by Deltawave in

there is a huge difference between been religious and been spiritual.

been religious is about been superior to others in the sight of god.

however, been spiritual is about self awareness, inner peace and unity with the natural world.

Viviane

Viviane, we seem to be at odds here. I'm sorry you disagree with my views.

We're not "at odds" or "disagreeing" so much as you blatantly misrepresenting facts to promote your version woo while making claims about every human alive. You're being extremely dishonest and displaying a stunning level of hubris and arrogance.

I am not implying you don't value those ideas.

You absolutely did. Don't be dishonest about what you said.

I merely wish to point out that what those inspiring people aimed to teach us was to display qualities that are essential to humanity and that religious dogma has no real place in spirituality.

They endorsed denial of self, rape, slavery, murder and genocide. You're choosing to claim they didn't.

Basically, you are exhibiting the basic tenets and behaviors of the very thing you claim to be against.

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Are you religious or are you spiritual? Wake up to what?

by Deltawave in

there is a huge difference between been religious and been spiritual.

been religious is about been superior to others in the sight of god.

however, been spiritual is about self awareness, inner peace and unity with the natural world.

Viviane

All humans , even atheists, are spiritual in that they have a sense of right and wrong, have culture, see beauty in art, etc. but your OP doesn't do a particularly good job in separating religion and spirituality.

That's not being "spiritual" at all. You don't get to define me in terms of woo.

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Are you religious or are you spiritual? Wake up to what?

by Deltawave in

there is a huge difference between been religious and been spiritual.

been religious is about been superior to others in the sight of god.

however, been spiritual is about self awareness, inner peace and unity with the natural world.

Viviane

So you don't think we would benefit from
Gratitude instead of jealousy
Giving more than we take
Love our neighbours as ourselves
Or such like Woo ideas then??

Wow, interesting way to pretend I was saying those weren't good ideas when in reality, I've never made such a claim.

More dishonesty... yep, you're being religious for sure.

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Are you religious or are you spiritual? Wake up to what?

by Deltawave in

there is a huge difference between been religious and been spiritual.

been religious is about been superior to others in the sight of god.

however, been spiritual is about self awareness, inner peace and unity with the natural world.

Viviane

Have you read the teachings of these men? Or are you quoting what religion has said about these men? Huge difference.

Oh, look, a false dichotomy!

So, at this point you've made false claims about what these people taught, tried to pass your stuff off as truth, tried to tell all of us what we need and tried to claim you aren't teaching anything, all while wrapping this hubris, arrogance and error in the cloak of fake humility.

This sounds exactly like a religion to me.