Viviane

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  Are you religious or are you spiritual? Wake up to what?

  by Deltawave in

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  there is a huge difference between been religious and been spiritual.

  been religious is about been superior to others in the sight of god.

  however, been spiritual is about self awareness, inner peace and unity with the natural world.

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  Viviane

  I have a problem with the reality that you're an abuser.

  You should have a problem with keeping track of all the things you make up. You should look into a spreadsheet to keep track of it all.
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  Are you religious or are you spiritual? Wake up to what?

  by Deltawave in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  there is a huge difference between been religious and been spiritual.

  been religious is about been superior to others in the sight of god.

  however, been spiritual is about self awareness, inner peace and unity with the natural world.

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  Viviane

  I do however feel there is some validity in what teachers such as Jesus, Bhudda and Muhammad said in terms of living a life that isn't based solely around superficial things such as money, holidays and fashion!

  It's amazing that, with zero exposure to the BK teachings, managed to pick a user name very specific to their teachings and then promote their very specific teachings in your postings, even promoting them as you attempt to deny them.
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  Are you religious or are you spiritual? Wake up to what?

  by Deltawave in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  there is a huge difference between been religious and been spiritual.

  been religious is about been superior to others in the sight of god.

  however, been spiritual is about self awareness, inner peace and unity with the natural world.

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  Viviane

  t's one thing to tell me: "You're wrong. Because..."
  It's another thing to say: "You're dishonest."
  The first I take it well. The second, I don't. It's not about compartmentalization; it's about urbanity.

  Again, I can't help it if you have a problem with reality.
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  Are you religious or are you spiritual? Wake up to what?

  by Deltawave in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  there is a huge difference between been religious and been spiritual.

  been religious is about been superior to others in the sight of god.

  however, been spiritual is about self awareness, inner peace and unity with the natural world.

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  Viviane

  I have, but you don't think it qualifies as a personal attack / insult. I beg to differ

  You misrepresenting what I said is nothing new. You don't have to beg, either.

  It's certainly not my imagination when I'm the object of it, perhaps you can ask your interlocutor if he/she felt personally offended by your remark.

  It's not your imagination. I can't help it if you getting called out for making false statements feels like a personal attack to you. You just need to hone your debate skills and learn to compartmentalize your arguments from your person.

  Besides, it is perfectly possible to insult someone all the while staying on topic. I recommend you reading "Churchill's Wit" for an example of that.

  Don't misrepresent people and your problem will go away.
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  Are you religious or are you spiritual? Wake up to what?

  by Deltawave in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  there is a huge difference between been religious and been spiritual.

  been religious is about been superior to others in the sight of god.

  however, been spiritual is about self awareness, inner peace and unity with the natural world.

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  Viviane

  None of these people were promoting the BK cult, but it is the way they feel about Jesus Muhammad and Buddha.

  Very true. However, DW's name is the same as a specific teach of the BKs and DW is promoting the very specific teachings of the BKs.

  It's the equivalent of someone saying they had never heard of the JWs but promoting 1914, overlapping generations and their blood policy.
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  Are you religious or are you spiritual? Wake up to what?

  by Deltawave in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  there is a huge difference between been religious and been spiritual.

  been religious is about been superior to others in the sight of god.

  however, been spiritual is about self awareness, inner peace and unity with the natural world.

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  Viviane

  You statement certainly did make it sound like you have a problem with meditation. If you don't, then there is nothing to discuss.

  As I said, I never said anything negative about meditation. Any idea that I did came from you alone, not me.
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  Are you religious or are you spiritual? Wake up to what?

  by Deltawave in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  there is a huge difference between been religious and been spiritual.

  been religious is about been superior to others in the sight of god.

  however, been spiritual is about self awareness, inner peace and unity with the natural world.

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  Viviane

  Since I assume you CAN read, then you should know that's not what I was talking about.

  More personal attacks. Your argument is invalid.

  I was talking about a common technique you use, which is to qualify what others say or think in such a way that you implicitly attack that person's intelligence, integrity and character - therefore, in essence, a sly form of ad hominem.

  You shouldn't expect others to read your mind nor dishonestly make claims about other people. It's quite simple, if people don't want to be accused of dishonesty, don't be dishonest. If you don't want to be accused of making false claims about other people, then don't make them. If you don't want your entire argument invalidated by opening with a pointless personal attack, then don't make personal attacks.

  And then you complaint you become the recipient of ad hominem as well?

  More false claims. I've never complained about it. Rather, I've come to expect it when irrational arguments are exhausted. Indeed, you opened this post with one. Rather than complain, I simply point out the reality of invalidating your own argument by going that route and move on.

  In the future, please don't pretend I get offended at your attempts to insult me. Despite your attempts, you've neither managed to insult me or cause me to complain. My feelings are not so fragile that a person I don't know that misrepresents what I say on the internet has the ability to bother me. Quite the contrary, I find it pretty damn amusing that people resort to personal attacks.

  Therefore, if you deceitfully claim you don't attack others personally, but merely their ideas, when if fact that's precisely what you do, how shall we call that? That's right - dishonesty.

  Please show where, on this thread, I have insulted a person rather than discuss the content of the post. You imagining or pretending it happened doesn't make it reality.
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  Are you religious or are you spiritual? Wake up to what?

  by Deltawave in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  there is a huge difference between been religious and been spiritual.

  been religious is about been superior to others in the sight of god.

  however, been spiritual is about self awareness, inner peace and unity with the natural world.

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  Viviane

  You accused deltawave of "promoting meditation and the teachings of BK." Why would you say that if you don't have a problem with meditation?

  Because I've never I had a problem with it. If you can show otherwise, please do.
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  Are you religious or are you spiritual? Wake up to what?

  by Deltawave in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  there is a huge difference between been religious and been spiritual.

  been religious is about been superior to others in the sight of god.

  however, been spiritual is about self awareness, inner peace and unity with the natural world.

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  Viviane

  "I'm shocked, SHOCKED, to find that gambling is going on in here."

  Bingo.
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  Are you religious or are you spiritual? Wake up to what?

  by Deltawave in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  there is a huge difference between been religious and been spiritual.

  been religious is about been superior to others in the sight of god.

  however, been spiritual is about self awareness, inner peace and unity with the natural world.

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  Viviane

  Well, although you have shown some unusual verbal restraint on this particular thread, here's an example:

  An example has to represent the thing your claiming.

  The above is a cunning way to say the same insult twice: The person may have said something that's not accurate, but you chose the term "dishonesty", knowing full well, that such qualifies the person saying it as "dishonest".

  Calling dishonesty dishonest is an accurate representation and not a personal attack. It's in no way my problem if accuracy offends you. That's really your problem and yours alone. You don't get to put your monkey on my back.

  It's like if I said: "Oh, do you believe in X? Only stupid people believe in X" - and then claim I didn't call that person stupid.

  Or, it's not even remotely like that at all. DW was well aware that Jesus endorsed slavery and was attempting to claim the opposite. It's not at all like what you are claiming.