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  Won't get fooled again ...Moon Landing.

  by The Rebel in

  1. jw
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  so i was fooled by the witnesses.

  what can i learn from that?

  not to accept things at face value but to seek out opinion and different view points.. hence my question " do you believe man landed on the moon?.

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  Viviane

  Viviane, I say "but" because many professionals have the pressure to produce, produce, and if you fall behind on any given project the stream of money gets dried up quick. When I say they have an agenda, I'm not talking about a conspiracy to take over the world, blah, blah, blah. A better word would be "goal", they have their goals and in occasions may favor certain experiments or reports in order to keep the different Nasa programs alive.

  Oh yeah, very true.

  How can we test this explanation to determine its validity? our only source is Nasa when it comes to explaining this... that's where gets complicated to me.

  Our only source for explaining what, exactly? The Van Allen belts? That's not true. The route taken by Apollo? Also not true. What, specifically, are you imagining NASA as being your only source for?
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  579

  Won't get fooled again ...Moon Landing.

  by The Rebel in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i was fooled by the witnesses.

  what can i learn from that?

  not to accept things at face value but to seek out opinion and different view points.. hence my question " do you believe man landed on the moon?.

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  Viviane

  ?..hmmmm the above is how I conducted bible studies with irrefutable evidence that Jehover set up a kingdom in 1914?

  You used to objectively examine evidence using critical thinking and logic while conducting Bible studies? That's odd. I doubt you did any of that. In fact, I suspect that you rather took people that didn't know how to do any of that (and that you did not know how to do either) and led them down a pre-conceived and contrived trail to arrive at a pre-determined conclusion using coincidence, altered history, bad logic, numerology and the pretense that Biblical prophesies said something they didn't.

  What evidence is their that man landed on the moon?

  Shitloads. Go look it up and quit being lazy.
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  Won't get fooled again ...Moon Landing.

  by The Rebel in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i was fooled by the witnesses.

  what can i learn from that?

  not to accept things at face value but to seek out opinion and different view points.. hence my question " do you believe man landed on the moon?.

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  2. 
  3. 
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  Viviane

  I can't deny the planets around us are spheres and not flat, and I will not believe the earth is the center of the universe. But Nasa has their own agenda and we cannot forget that we are biased creatures by nature.

  Good for you on looking at the evidence.

  What, specifically, do think NASA's agenda is? Why did you say "but"?
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  Won't get fooled again ...Moon Landing.

  by The Rebel in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i was fooled by the witnesses.

  what can i learn from that?

  not to accept things at face value but to seek out opinion and different view points.. hence my question " do you believe man landed on the moon?.

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  Viviane

  .except but before you entered the debate, I believed my question was debatable, and I thought the interacting interesting

  Oh well. This was an excellent opportunity to understand the evidence, do some research, think about why you think about things the way you do, learn some science, do some research. Throwing all of that away is your choice.

  I assure you I did not start this thread thinking I had " confidential" " Hands Off " Secret knowledge" that would prove man did not land on the moon.

  I've never suggested you did or thought you did.

  Viviane where do you suggest I start my research?

  Ask yourself why you think you what you about say, the "lost footage", then go research that. Take the time to understand the technology that was in use at the time, why that matters, what happened, etc., then tell us what you think, ask questions, discuss!
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  Won't get fooled again ...Moon Landing.

  by The Rebel in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i was fooled by the witnesses.

  what can i learn from that?

  not to accept things at face value but to seek out opinion and different view points.. hence my question " do you believe man landed on the moon?.

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  2. 
  3. 
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  Viviane

  Well, in my search for truth I found a real good explanation as to why we can't just point the hublle to the moon and see the landers

  Excellent! Phil Plait is awesome, I read his work all the time.
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  Won't get fooled again ...Moon Landing.

  by The Rebel in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i was fooled by the witnesses.

  what can i learn from that?

  not to accept things at face value but to seek out opinion and different view points.. hence my question " do you believe man landed on the moon?.

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  2. 
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  Viviane

  Well, we're near Austin, but still a very conservative area.

  Round Rock? Pflugerville? Hutto? I uh, used to work for a company in that area.
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  Won't get fooled again ...Moon Landing.

  by The Rebel in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i was fooled by the witnesses.

  what can i learn from that?

  not to accept things at face value but to seek out opinion and different view points.. hence my question " do you believe man landed on the moon?.

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  2. 
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  Viviane

  Hahahahahahaha!

  It originally said "don't" then was edited to say "do". Very odd.

  They are. At least in my daughter's district. What's surprising is that this district is in Texas.

  Depends on which part of Texas. Austin is awesome:)
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  579

  Won't get fooled again ...Moon Landing.

  by The Rebel in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i was fooled by the witnesses.

  what can i learn from that?

  not to accept things at face value but to seek out opinion and different view points.. hence my question " do you believe man landed on the moon?.

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  Viviane

  I can't believe this thread has gotten so long.

  Nah, it follows the basic pattern...

  1. Ask questions

  2. Get answers

  3. Misunderstand evidence, critical thinking and logic

  4. Viv, DJS, Cofty, FMF, Oubilette, VI, etc, explain how all that works

  5. Blame Viv for not understanding any of that

  6. Get schooled in misplaced anger

  7. Complain that Viv is a big old meanie
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  579

  Won't get fooled again ...Moon Landing.

  by The Rebel in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i was fooled by the witnesses.

  what can i learn from that?

  not to accept things at face value but to seek out opinion and different view points.. hence my question " do you believe man landed on the moon?.

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  Viviane

  but you won't present evidence man landed on the moon.

  Nope. I won't. I never said I would. I've consistently said I would be happy to discuss things you brought up and that I wanted to understand what you have done to understand them so we have a starting off point for discussion. I've no idea why you expect me to do your work for you. In the time you've been researching me and complaining, you could have done research on the lost tapes, flag waving, heat transfer, etc. Why haven't you, if you are truly interested in debate and discussion?

  And I don't want you to be doing my homework for me....but the way you question people on "What is Spirit" and wont give a direct answer to my question is hard for me to comprehend.

  I've given you several direct answers and explained several times why I was saying what I was. I can't make you understand it. And the other topic is another topic. If you want to discuss that, post on that thread. I won't discuss it here.
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  Won't get fooled again ...Moon Landing.

  by The Rebel in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i was fooled by the witnesses.

  what can i learn from that?

  not to accept things at face value but to seek out opinion and different view points.. hence my question " do you believe man landed on the moon?.

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  Viviane

  My god, this is why we need to teach critical thinking starting in kindergarten.