Viviane

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  We can now estimate the absolute minimum number of child abuse cases

  by Viviane in

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  2. child-abuse

  vincent tool said that he is exclusively working the phones for child abuse cases, but never said he is not the only one.

  for now, let's assume the rate of abuse cases averages over time to the three or four cases he gets per month.

  let's further assume that, since he isn't the only person working the phones and is on vacation at some point, the number is 4-5 per month, or 4.5 per month.

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  Viviane

  That's an interesting way to look at it.
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  Won't get fooled again ...Moon Landing.

  by The Rebel in

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  2. friends

  so i was fooled by the witnesses.

  what can i learn from that?

  not to accept things at face value but to seek out opinion and different view points.. hence my question " do you believe man landed on the moon?.

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  Viviane

  I'll do something no one else can seem to do and agree that you are correct. It has nothing to do with rational skepticism. See people was that so hard?

  I appreciate the gesture dear, but made to assertion to prove correct here :)

  Still you cannot deny the importance of the moon landing.

  I cannot, agreed.

  So all that being said the weight and importance it carried, what would you do, sacrifice, hide, or whatever for such a world stage advantage. Thats all I am saying it held incredible value, and people often do crazy shit to insure advantage. But again thats not a rational reason for anything just a great source of motive.

  And that's why understanding the science involves shows it would be impossible to actually stage. Also, wouldn't another motive be to do what you said you were going to do?
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  Quality Thinking - Warning: Long Post Ahead

  by Viviane in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  recently, several threads have had some debate about logic, evidence, critical thinking and skepticism.

  i wanted to write a post discussing those things, hopefully to clarify what those things are, why they are important and how to use those tools.

  first, logic, at its core, is simply a method for how to reason validly, how to draw conclusions based on a premise.

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  Viviane

  http://computer.howstuffworks.com/boolean1.htm
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  Quality Thinking - Warning: Long Post Ahead

  by Viviane in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  recently, several threads have had some debate about logic, evidence, critical thinking and skepticism.

  i wanted to write a post discussing those things, hopefully to clarify what those things are, why they are important and how to use those tools.

  first, logic, at its core, is simply a method for how to reason validly, how to draw conclusions based on a premise.

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  Viviane

  With that in mind and your recent answer to me in this thread, I am having a hard time understanding if you meant to act as a moderator of the discussion or if you actually took a stand on the subject. Could you please clarify?

  Look at the evidence. Did I do either of those things?
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  Won't get fooled again ...Moon Landing.

  by The Rebel in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i was fooled by the witnesses.

  what can i learn from that?

  not to accept things at face value but to seek out opinion and different view points.. hence my question " do you believe man landed on the moon?.

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  Viviane

  The moon landing as I said before was the technological jesus if you will, and also the political implication between Russia and the us as to who got there first cannot be understated.

  What about the moon landing made it a "technological Jesus"? What does any of that have to do with rational skepticism towards that moon landings?
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  Won't get fooled again ...Moon Landing.

  by The Rebel in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i was fooled by the witnesses.

  what can i learn from that?

  not to accept things at face value but to seek out opinion and different view points.. hence my question " do you believe man landed on the moon?.

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  Viviane

  ......oh the irony, but I must say it's great to know that Viv has some fascinating information which can prove that man landed on the moon, and I must apologise for the sneaky, unprincipled way I asked her to reveal it, which was by way of a direct question.

  Well, we've learned you also don't know what irony it.
  Have you managed to look at any information regarding your question about "lost original footage".
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  Quality Thinking - Warning: Long Post Ahead

  by Viviane in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  recently, several threads have had some debate about logic, evidence, critical thinking and skepticism.

  i wanted to write a post discussing those things, hopefully to clarify what those things are, why they are important and how to use those tools.

  first, logic, at its core, is simply a method for how to reason validly, how to draw conclusions based on a premise.

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  Viviane

  would you not be somewhat obligated to provide some references just like you requested from others in that same thread

  If I were making a claim that was the argument, sure. In this case, the poster already had some information. I suggested that there was a wealth of information out there to be had, but that at this point, there was much to learn and understand to have a proper discussion and in order to have it, the poster look some of it up.

  I never made a claim that required me to present evidence, I am simply asked to provide evidence over and over and over and I had no reason to do someone else work for them.
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  Quality Thinking - Warning: Long Post Ahead

  by Viviane in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  recently, several threads have had some debate about logic, evidence, critical thinking and skepticism.

  i wanted to write a post discussing those things, hopefully to clarify what those things are, why they are important and how to use those tools.

  first, logic, at its core, is simply a method for how to reason validly, how to draw conclusions based on a premise.

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  Viviane

  Thus if I see a ghost or appararition, as part of the analysis of the event I have to include initially the possibilities that I am having a brainstorm and the possibility that ghosts do exist.

  Since you asked me personally to look at this post, I will.

  First, what do you mean by ghost? Then, take that definition and make sure that it is something that means something, i.e., something that you can ascribe and effect or objectively observable definition to. Think of dark matter, we've no idea what it is, but we can certainly at least objectively observe it's effects and tell that something is there. The something you you define as a ghost must at least be objectively observable for anything to help you out.

  However, and finally the point of this waffle, what happens when we personally see images in our heads of events which actually occur as per image, at a later time? What kind of critical analysis could we make of that. initially?

  Count the hits AND the misses. How many times did you think of something that came true? How many didn't? Was the thing that came true related to something that was easily foreseeable? Did you write it down? Was it exactly right, pretty close or meh, close enough?

  What it has done is to make me look at the prophecies spoken about in the original old texts. The one thing I logically conclude from a personal perspective is that the old guys, way back when they were writing their stuff, could, well have been seeing exactly what they said they were.

  Not one prophecy every written in the Bible has ever come true. But, looking at any prophecy, was it specific? Did it name names? Dates? Events, specifically that came true exactly? If not, then it's really not a prophecy.

  Somehow, it is possible for humans to see what will later happen.

  I predict events that come true all the time. But that's just experience in a given situation that I am familiar with. If I were to predict who, 10 years from now, who would be the first person on Mars, the exact date and time, the name of the ship, where they would land, names of the crew, the date they left, how many kilograms of fuel they had and the weather on the day they left, yeah, that would be impressive. Predicting my friend will choose fish with white wine for dinner because I've seen her do it 100 times? Not so much.
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  Quality Thinking - Warning: Long Post Ahead

  by Viviane in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  recently, several threads have had some debate about logic, evidence, critical thinking and skepticism.

  i wanted to write a post discussing those things, hopefully to clarify what those things are, why they are important and how to use those tools.

  first, logic, at its core, is simply a method for how to reason validly, how to draw conclusions based on a premise.

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  Viviane

  But how to avoid confirmation bias?

  Opening your evidence for others to look at, being clear on what you are saying, using the scientific method!
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  Won't get fooled again ...Moon Landing.

  by The Rebel in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i was fooled by the witnesses.

  what can i learn from that?

  not to accept things at face value but to seek out opinion and different view points.. hence my question " do you believe man landed on the moon?.

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  Viviane

  Moonlanding agnostic over here. Something happened in 1969 involving the moon. I'm just not sure what

  What evidence have you looked at?