Posts by Viviane

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WHEN people leave a cult...MAN landed on the moon? Or critical thinking......

by The Rebel in

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i believe anyone who has voluntarily left a cult has shown they can adapt to new solutions, and have used " critical thinking" skills otherwise most would not have left.. yet i believe a safe place for support is still needed and this safe place i believe is searched for.. now i may not measure up to much in ways of education, but for me personally " critical thinking skills" = " new" a " new" way of thinking, that takes time for me the individual to be visual and to contemplate.

and the more i read about " critical thinking," the more convinced i am that i can live with the ridicule of those that claim i do not possess it.

furthermore i would say those that criticise others " critical thinking skills," often luck the sensibility and thoughts to snore, spit, and fart....nor would they understand a room full of tobacco smoke and cheap booze...where " critical thinking " can often be found in its most profound, in the most sensitive poems and "pictures" that were ever drawn.

Viviane

Every dinner my wife makes is special and such does not render the previous dinners un-special or any equal to the others. Despite the fact that sometimes the menu repeats itself.

All that tells me is that you don't know what "special" means.

Please do not leave humanity out of your posts. When you stick strictly to the definition of the principle you sound a lot like the WT

The WT denies reality and twists the meaning of words to suit their agenda. Your complaint can be broken out as "when you stick to the definition of words, you are like those who lie about what words mean". You're literally saying a thing equals the opposite of the thing. It doesn't make sense.

You are correct Viviane but I believe you missed the point made by the Rebel

I don't miss the point. I reject it wholly. He writes of the "ridicule" for not possessing critical thinking opportunities on a thread he start to discuss the moon landing. He was provided with facts, evidence, where he could find the information on his own, read analysis of the data and was offered summaries of the analysis. He rejected all of this and attempted to use his feelings as a guide for a science question. He wasn't ridiculed, his argument was rejected. He wasn't abused, he was told that if he would not bother to do any work to learn, then there was zero reason to take his information-free feelings as a guide.

I reject his argument as an attempt to justify his lack of even cursory work and place it equal to those who have taken the time put the work it. It's laughable.

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Death is not something to be feared!

by iconoclastic in

science can explain how of things, but it cannot explain why of certain things (for example, why did life arise from non-life and evolved from simpler creatures to more complex life forms only to die and disappear?

) so are the conflicted religions whose chief concern is in safeguarding each ones separate identity..

next option is to look for pearls among the stonesusing power of our own reason.

Viviane

she is hormonal like this mother (hope she can laugh about this)

Why would I laugh at a cheap attempt at an insult? I mean, were it clever, that would be one thing...

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Death is not something to be feared!

by iconoclastic in

science can explain how of things, but it cannot explain why of certain things (for example, why did life arise from non-life and evolved from simpler creatures to more complex life forms only to die and disappear?

) so are the conflicted religions whose chief concern is in safeguarding each ones separate identity..

next option is to look for pearls among the stonesusing power of our own reason.

Viviane

Uhh, I was most likely studying science when you were in diapers.

OK. So?

Quite frankly, I am sickened by your relentless masturbatory punishing of all those who don't seem to measure up to your intellectual-superiority yardstick.

OK. So?

I'm not interested in taking you on, and haha, your comment above, clearly shows how you enjoy twisting the point. I do not need to twist anyone's words to get my point across, as I seek no gratification from my postings here.

OK. So?

Perhaps you should try your intellect out in places that would be more challenging? But I guess it would be hard to give this up, since you can play with words better than most people on this forum.

Or, since you keep saying I am so terrible, you could manage to exercise a bare minimum mote of self control and not read my posts.

Take care, "V", and remember that not everyone is fooled by your 'faux intellectualism". TSK TSK

Tootles!

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WHEN people leave a cult...MAN landed on the moon? Or critical thinking......

by The Rebel in

jw
friends

i believe anyone who has voluntarily left a cult has shown they can adapt to new solutions, and have used " critical thinking" skills otherwise most would not have left.. yet i believe a safe place for support is still needed and this safe place i believe is searched for.. now i may not measure up to much in ways of education, but for me personally " critical thinking skills" = " new" a " new" way of thinking, that takes time for me the individual to be visual and to contemplate.

and the more i read about " critical thinking," the more convinced i am that i can live with the ridicule of those that claim i do not possess it.

furthermore i would say those that criticise others " critical thinking skills," often luck the sensibility and thoughts to snore, spit, and fart....nor would they understand a room full of tobacco smoke and cheap booze...where " critical thinking " can often be found in its most profound, in the most sensitive poems and "pictures" that were ever drawn.

Viviane

No where in my post did I suggest every one was special. I said " each sincere post, is written by someone special"

It's a principle, Rebel. If every post, person, tree, cat, dinner, is special, then none of them are.

Having said that I also wrote " I am not interested in splitting ropes with thinkers that do not understand empathy" so maybe I should back off.

Perhaps. The concepts of "understanding basic logic" and "has empathy" are not mutually exclusive, yet you seem to treat them as though they were.

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Death is not something to be feared!

by iconoclastic in

science can explain how of things, but it cannot explain why of certain things (for example, why did life arise from non-life and evolved from simpler creatures to more complex life forms only to die and disappear?

) so are the conflicted religions whose chief concern is in safeguarding each ones separate identity..

next option is to look for pearls among the stonesusing power of our own reason.

Viviane

well that is a very predictable reply.

And 100% accurate.

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Death is not something to be feared!

by iconoclastic in

science can explain how of things, but it cannot explain why of certain things (for example, why did life arise from non-life and evolved from simpler creatures to more complex life forms only to die and disappear?

) so are the conflicted religions whose chief concern is in safeguarding each ones separate identity..

next option is to look for pearls among the stonesusing power of our own reason.

Viviane

as for how and why being the same in science - they are only the same if something can observed or measured and explained and the explanation be testable by an experiment. whatever the results, if the explanation is proved wrong or correct, scientific understanding advanced
However most of the universe cannot be observed measured of tested and it here that how and why are not the same question because to get to the HOW scientists have to focus on the WHY. The cannot avoid the WHY.

You prove, like the OP, that you do not understand science or observable reality in any fundamentally true way.

If you're going to be delusional, stick to the delusions, don't comment on science.

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WHEN people leave a cult...MAN landed on the moon? Or critical thinking......

by The Rebel in

jw
friends

i believe anyone who has voluntarily left a cult has shown they can adapt to new solutions, and have used " critical thinking" skills otherwise most would not have left.. yet i believe a safe place for support is still needed and this safe place i believe is searched for.. now i may not measure up to much in ways of education, but for me personally " critical thinking skills" = " new" a " new" way of thinking, that takes time for me the individual to be visual and to contemplate.

and the more i read about " critical thinking," the more convinced i am that i can live with the ridicule of those that claim i do not possess it.

furthermore i would say those that criticise others " critical thinking skills," often luck the sensibility and thoughts to snore, spit, and fart....nor would they understand a room full of tobacco smoke and cheap booze...where " critical thinking " can often be found in its most profound, in the most sensitive poems and "pictures" that were ever drawn.

Viviane

If everyone is "special", that just becomes what everyone is, i.e., normal.

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If she doesn't comply an orange jumpsuit is in her future

by DJS in

scotus: kentucky clerk must issue same-sex marriage licenses.

by ariane de vogue, cnn supreme court reporter.

updated 8:02 pm et, mon august 31, 2015. let's hope this is the final screech from the haters who wrap themselves in the bible - or their egoist political philosophy i doubt it will be, but let's hope..

Viviane

Christianity is, by it's nature, anti-semitic.

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Death is not something to be feared!

by iconoclastic in

science can explain how of things, but it cannot explain why of certain things (for example, why did life arise from non-life and evolved from simpler creatures to more complex life forms only to die and disappear?

) so are the conflicted religions whose chief concern is in safeguarding each ones separate identity..

next option is to look for pearls among the stonesusing power of our own reason.

Viviane

Viviane, You see how people differentiate between HOW and WHY

Of course!

Smilarly, science may explain HOW life originated?

In science, "how" and "why" are the same question, "how". To suggest otherwise is to simply show your lack of science education or understanding.

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Death is not something to be feared!

by iconoclastic in

science can explain how of things, but it cannot explain why of certain things (for example, why did life arise from non-life and evolved from simpler creatures to more complex life forms only to die and disappear?

) so are the conflicted religions whose chief concern is in safeguarding each ones separate identity..

next option is to look for pearls among the stonesusing power of our own reason.

Viviane

I was quite clear about the fact that I was questioning an assumption I believed you rested your statement upon, not accusing you of expressing said assumption. Perhaps you also should take care.

Well, you were wrong.

And honestly, really, if I did "mistakenly think" you wrote something, how on earth would I be able to "discuss what I actually wrote" with you?

I dunno, by correcting your mistaken belief, I guess.

Either your point stands upon the shoulders of the assumption (and silent claim therein) that there are no teleological answers

Oh, and, out of order, but, in case you don't get it, this is completely untrue. I never made any claim about the existence of teleological answers. That's where you're going off the rails.