Posts by Viviane

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Does Anyone Still Believe in God?

by LaurenM in

do any of you ex-jw's still believe in god?

even with the new rebranding/softening of this religion, i still don't see how people can believe in him.

the god of the old testimate is an angry murderer who approved rapes and slavery and killed thousands of men, women and children.

Viviane

And that's what people argued about the atom with no contrary proof. Then they proved it. It is a good example.

You said they argued about it with no proof on either side and now you claim they "proved" it. Which is it? Also, do you understand what evidence is and how proof works? It doesn't appear that you do.

I never suggested anything about the nature of "something".

Well, yes you are, because you then say "That's completely overblown by organized religions to make you dependent on them." If you say that their claims are wrong, you are absolutely taking a position on the nature of the thing they (and you) are making claims about.

If you would like - prove to me that "something" does not exist.

What something are you asking about?

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Does Anyone Still Believe in God?

by LaurenM in

do any of you ex-jw's still believe in god?

even with the new rebranding/softening of this religion, i still don't see how people can believe in him.

the god of the old testimate is an angry murderer who approved rapes and slavery and killed thousands of men, women and children.

Viviane

That's a bit circular. I'm afraid you misunderstand me. I have made to attempt to claim/prove a God is real. I claim no tangible or empirical proof. But then again God cannot be proven to not be, or have been, real either.

I've not misunderstood you. You think there is a something. You said that you don't believe it is possible for humans to understand any possible evidence for god. I am simply saying that if there no evidence humans could understand, you can't possibly every assert that is a god that matches that lack of evidence. In what way is that circular?

Is the atom worthless and pointless? A couple of hundred years ago people said it didn't exist

People still say that. The problem here is that you are attempting to equate "don't have the information and technology to derive the information and proof" with "unable to understand the information even if they had the information and proof".

There was a Sumerian tablet uncovered by archaeologists that dated back to some 7000BC. On the tablet was an imprinted picture of the solar system with orbits. It also included Pluto. ?? Even though it has been there the whole time, our science didn't discover/prove it until about 1930.

Please show us that.

I'm not saying that anyone has to believe in a God, or follow one if they did - but I'm not closing the door. What if they closed the door on the atom because they didn't understand it? Or life on other planets?

You said science was worthless in this area and then attempt use something where science was the only way to discover this information as a reason we should remain open to this thing science could never possibly help us with and that we can't ever possibly comprehend.

That's not how it works.

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Does Anyone Still Believe in God?

by LaurenM in

do any of you ex-jw's still believe in god?

even with the new rebranding/softening of this religion, i still don't see how people can believe in him.

the god of the old testimate is an angry murderer who approved rapes and slavery and killed thousands of men, women and children.

Viviane

I don't think there is any proof that humans can comprehend or have the words to describe.

The any god you could potentially be describing is worthless and pointless.

Human science is worthless here.

Human science has made the world a far better place. You suggests a pointless god that is impotent to even show it exists. Science, in your scenario, is the useful thing. You've it backwards.

My point was that if you look at sociology and some of the biology there are too many coincidences to just write off something we don't understand.

You've yet to show me there is a god we don't understand. You're attempting to use science to prove science is worthless. That's not how it works.

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Does Anyone Still Believe in God?

by LaurenM in

do any of you ex-jw's still believe in god?

even with the new rebranding/softening of this religion, i still don't see how people can believe in him.

the god of the old testimate is an angry murderer who approved rapes and slavery and killed thousands of men, women and children.

Viviane

What if ALL Gods are the same one - perceived in many ways according to the individuals beliefs and filters?

First show me any proof that any god exists, then we can discuss all gods.

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Does Anyone Still Believe in God?

by LaurenM in

do any of you ex-jw's still believe in god?

even with the new rebranding/softening of this religion, i still don't see how people can believe in him.

the god of the old testimate is an angry murderer who approved rapes and slavery and killed thousands of men, women and children.

Viviane

you see what can be gleaned by looking in the right places, and the more we look, the more we discover how it all works, and was made to work.

Exactly.

I think an important question to ask is, "How is the existence of an auto catalyst evidence of divine guidance and not just evidence of the existence of an auto catalyst being a part of nature?

That's what keeps not getting answered, cappytan. You've precisely identified the issue, assuming the underlying statements about homichirality were correct (they aren't).

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Does Anyone Still Believe in God?

by LaurenM in

do any of you ex-jw's still believe in god?

even with the new rebranding/softening of this religion, i still don't see how people can believe in him.

the god of the old testimate is an angry murderer who approved rapes and slavery and killed thousands of men, women and children.

Viviane

not a fact, popular opinion. The moon revolves around the barycenter, so does the earth.

Or, the moon orbits the earth and moon's common barycenter, which is inside the earth (about 3/4 of the radius from the core to the crust), so it is 100% correct to say the moon orbits the earth. Of course, given that the moon does not have a circular orbit, it's elliptical with with an apsidal precession and some eccentricity.

The moon revolves, or more properly, rotates, upon it's own axis once every 27.3-ish days, also called a sidereal month.

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Has NASA discoverd flowing water on Mars?

by The Rebel in

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nasa is holding a press conference today entiltled " mars mystery solved".

speculation is they will announce the discovery of flowing water on mars?.

the significance of this is that it raises the possibility of possible past life or future existence on the planet.. the rebel..

Viviane

Statistically, you couldn't be more wrong Kate.

That's a theme with Kate.

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Does Anyone Still Believe in God?

by LaurenM in

do any of you ex-jw's still believe in god?

even with the new rebranding/softening of this religion, i still don't see how people can believe in him.

the god of the old testimate is an angry murderer who approved rapes and slavery and killed thousands of men, women and children.

Viviane

Just as I thought Viv, you cannot correct my definition.

Of course I can. I don't say anything unless I can back it up. I am giving you the opportunity to do it yourself thought. This is like doing homework with my kids, sheesh. "Thinking" is definitely not what you are doing. You're constructing an argument based on emotion and magic, which is not an argument.

I'm not doing your work for you.

I have proved I know about chemistry and I have proved that no one can correct me

Indeed you have. Specifically that you don't know what you are talking about. And that you you don't know what proof is. Or homochirality. Or what a strawman argument is. Or how science works. Or chemistry. Or constructing an argument.

Thanks Viv for the comments

Brave Sir Robin!

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Does Anyone Still Believe in God?

by LaurenM in

do any of you ex-jw's still believe in god?

even with the new rebranding/softening of this religion, i still don't see how people can believe in him.

the god of the old testimate is an angry murderer who approved rapes and slavery and killed thousands of men, women and children.

Viviane

I am happy to be corrected by someone who has correct answers

Then I must make you very happy.

Present something real from reputable source Until then, you've don't nothing but write a lot and present nonsense. You've done no chemistry, conducted no research and simply repeated the claims of psueduscience and creationists.

You're wasting everyone's time and just flailing about that your correct.

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Does Anyone Still Believe in God?

by LaurenM in

do any of you ex-jw's still believe in god?

even with the new rebranding/softening of this religion, i still don't see how people can believe in him.

the god of the old testimate is an angry murderer who approved rapes and slavery and killed thousands of men, women and children.

Viviane

The medical definition is also the chemical definition. You haven't offered a better definition. All readers of your posts will know you are not able to correct me as I am correct.

I don't have to offer anything better, I'm not the one making a claim. Yet another proof point that you're fundamentally unaware of how science works....

Tell you what, if you think you are correct, why don't you go to somewhere and show us a consensus on the definition of homochirality from reputable chemists, universities and scholarly works. I've got several at the ready, but I am disinclined to do your work for you.

With respect to the bogus website, you having never been there in no way means you aren't using their bogus argument. Also, anyone that respects knowledge, evidence, facts and reality has nothing to offer those such as yourself that reject reality in favor of magical thinking.