Posts by Viviane

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Why doesn't God need a creator, while the Universe does?

by Bloody Hotdogs! in

i asked this question of a jw that called on me yesterday: "if the universe requires a creator, why doesn't god?

if the universe must have a beginning, why doesn't god?

he claims to have an answer, but it must wait for next time he calls.. i'm hoping you guys can give me a heads-up as to what he will say.

Viviane

I had a very similar conversation with a JW a few months ago. They said everything needed a creator and that creator was God. I said "So *everything* doesn't need a creator, you just said God didn't. Without any evidence, why couldn't I just as easily say that the universe was the thing that didn't need a creator instead of God?"

They said again that everything needs a creator and my response was "Well, no it doesn't. You personally just told me that literally everything needs a creator and then told me that wasn't true. If your god doesn't need one, then you can't claim everything does, and if it's possible to exist without needing a creator, then why can't that thing be the universe? Why is it your god? What evidence do you have that your god exists without having been created? And before you go to the Bible, I can show you 20 other religions that aren't Christian that claim the same about their god, why should I believe your religious claim over theirs? You've no more evidence than them."

They too promised to come back the next week and never did. I ran into them about a month later at a grocer and asked why they hadn't come back. They said they were looking into it.

Slackers.

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The extent that desperate cults will go to keep control of their youth

by JakeM2012 in

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/14/us/new-york-church-assault-case/.

(cnn)a counseling session on the spiritual state of two brothers turned physical at word of life christian church in new hartford, new york, resulting in the death of a young man and serious injuries to his brother, new hartford police chief michael inserra said wednesday.. .

their parents, bruce t. leonard, 65, and deborah r. leonard, 59, each face one count of first-degree manslaughter, a class b felony.

Viviane

Religion is a horrible influence and requires the denial of reality to pretend it's not.

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Have you heard the one about "Back to the Future" Predicting 911??

by EndofMysteries in

when somebody posted this on fb, i was anxious to see how ridiculous it would be, probably worse then the gb prophecies, etc.

after watching the clip, i honestly don't know what to believe.

at the very least it's very entertaining and interesting.

Viviane

I like it when you struggle darling

I often let men pretend they're winning. It's a small thing that means a lot to them and nothing to me. Much like other things they think are more important than they are.

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Have you heard the one about "Back to the Future" Predicting 911??

by EndofMysteries in

when somebody posted this on fb, i was anxious to see how ridiculous it would be, probably worse then the gb prophecies, etc.

after watching the clip, i honestly don't know what to believe.

at the very least it's very entertaining and interesting.

Viviane

And, thinking about it more, let's look at single charts. The top three singles for Van Halen, had a combined score of 26. Van Hagar? 30.

Sales by album? Let's keep it to four albums since Sammy tuckered out after four and Diamond Dave almost doubled that.

Let's start with Van Halen:

Van Halen - 17M

1984 - 17M

Van Halen II - 8M

Women and Children First - 6M

Total of 48M.

Van Hagar?

27M total.

Oh look, I'm now up to 8 reasons. Just like Sammy desperately trying to keep up with Diamond Dave, you're falling behind.

Van Halen wins.

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Have you heard the one about "Back to the Future" Predicting 911??

by EndofMysteries in

when somebody posted this on fb, i was anxious to see how ridiculous it would be, probably worse then the gb prophecies, etc.

after watching the clip, i honestly don't know what to believe.

at the very least it's very entertaining and interesting.

Viviane

i litterally gave you four.

You gave me a stat that shows Van Hagar had more watered down radio friendly songs, that doesn't translate in "better" at all, unless you're suggesting that Van Hagar has the same quality as Ace of Base, lots of radio play.

And, in fact, Best of Volume 1, feature more Dave than Sammy, hit #1 also.

But, since that's the only thing you got, let's play pretend and go with it. You gave four reasons. I gave you six.

Dave still wins, even if you had given me four reasons Sammy was better and not watered down banality.

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Have you heard the one about "Back to the Future" Predicting 911??

by EndofMysteries in

when somebody posted this on fb, i was anxious to see how ridiculous it would be, probably worse then the gb prophecies, etc.

after watching the clip, i honestly don't know what to believe.

at the very least it's very entertaining and interesting.

Viviane

I like Hagar and Roth equally.
If anyone has a problem with that, go f**k yourself.

Why do you imagine anyone would care what you like?

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Have you heard the one about "Back to the Future" Predicting 911??

by EndofMysteries in

when somebody posted this on fb, i was anxious to see how ridiculous it would be, probably worse then the gb prophecies, etc.

after watching the clip, i honestly don't know what to believe.

at the very least it's very entertaining and interesting.

Viviane

The highest a halen album ever reached with dimond dave was #2 on the charts. all four with sammy hit number 1.

Too bad the listeners didn't or care enough to buy them. David wins. Also the top charts, especially back in the day, was a measure of radio play primarily. Watered down Van Hagar certainly had more radio friendly songs, a sign, not of being better, but of watered down sugar syrup fit for the most droll, regulated and bland media, but by no means an indicator of "better", at best more generic.

Don't hurt your toe when the mic you dropped lands on it.

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Have you heard the one about "Back to the Future" Predicting 911??

by EndofMysteries in

when somebody posted this on fb, i was anxious to see how ridiculous it would be, probably worse then the gb prophecies, etc.

after watching the clip, i honestly don't know what to believe.

at the very least it's very entertaining and interesting.

Viviane

Oh god.... Im going to have to do the unthinkable. Im going to show you where your wrong.

You're welcome to try. People have, many times, tried to shoot down that reality. Allow me to show you how that attempt ends.

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What is the best debate you've ever read on this board...

by The Rebel in

jw
friends

who won, and why?.

the rebel..

Viviane

I took 4 dislikes for you pumpkin... a record @viv

Oh, you shouldn't worry what people on the internet think of you.

Also, how did this become about me?

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Have you heard the one about "Back to the Future" Predicting 911??

by EndofMysteries in

when somebody posted this on fb, i was anxious to see how ridiculous it would be, probably worse then the gb prophecies, etc.

after watching the clip, i honestly don't know what to believe.

at the very least it's very entertaining and interesting.

Viviane

Roth was a great front man and had a great voice but their best success came after his departure.

That's a common mistake.

Combined sales of Van Hagar albums - 27 million.

For Van Halen? - 56 million.

Or we can break it down by album... 6.75 million/album for Van Hagar, 9.33 million/album for Van Halen. Best of Volume 1 contains 10 songs with Roth, 7 with Hagar. Best of both worlds contains more songs from the albums with Roth. Rolling Stone's readers picks are 8 Roth era songs with a whopping 2 for the Hagar era. The top iTunes downloads for Van Halen are 80% Roth era.

There is literally no measure by which Van Halen is not demonstrably better and more successful than Van Hagar.