Viviane

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  Why do so many JW's argue that they do not believe what they clearly do?

  by Crabby in

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  i ask a question recently, which was why do jw's not salute the flag, and i ask what page of the bible directs this practice.. all i got back was that i do not know what i am talking about and that they are allowed to do this, when i dropped 40000 google links proving that they do not salute the flag they just deleted it as though my proof could not exist.

  seriously this is common knowledge, my neighbor just put up a flag to keep the guy across the street away.

  so are there jw's who have no clue what they believe, or should believe?

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  Viviane

  The same question is true of Christians in general.
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  I believe in Evolution and that God created life

  by Crabby in

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  anyone else also hold this view or understand it at least, or do you feel the need to argue that both can in no way coexist?.

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  God creating life.
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  I believe in Evolution and that God created life

  by Crabby in

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  anyone else also hold this view or understand it at least, or do you feel the need to argue that both can in no way coexist?.

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  Why would I believe it when there is zero evidence for it? It makes as much sense to believe a giant spider made of miniature beer steins that are larger on the inside and are inexplicably filled with raisins and dreidels spun the first cell out of web and left it to evolve.
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  I conclude evolution is guided

  by KateWild in

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  your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

  k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

  in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

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  Viviane

  This thread really needs to go to sleep......

  “In that case,” said Napoleon, “let us wait twenty minutes; when the enemy is making a false movement we must take good care not to interrupt him.”
  
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  I conclude evolution is guided

  by KateWild in

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  your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

  k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

  in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

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  Viviane

  but as to bearing no resemblance to descriptions by people who believe in God many scientists and biochemists (who don't believe in God) would disagree with you. Illya Prigogine for example states
  "It is hard to avoid the impression that the distinction between what exists in time, what is irreversible, and, on the other hand, what is outside of time, what is eternal, is at the origin of human symbolic activity" p. 312. Order out of Chaos (Prigogine, Stengers 1984)

  What, specifically, in that paper, says anything about irreversability, being outside of time or something being eternal? (Hint: Nothing. Viv's Law strikes again.)
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  I conclude evolution is guided

  by KateWild in

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  your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

  k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

  in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

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  re some of the logics of Belief in God via God's eye view external to time and views internal to time often described by those who believe in God, and in ancient myths etc

  Viv's Law at work. That paper has nothing to do with belief in god and bears no resemblance to descriptions by people who believe in God and ancient myths.
  
  
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  Complaining over post dislikes / downvotes

  by Simon in

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  let's be clear: people have the right to like or dislike what they want - that is why the option is there.

  as long as they are not doing it in a malicious way to retaliate or game the system, there is no policing the votes.

  if you get a down-vote, live with it.

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  Viviane

  Agree 100%, clicked Dislike on general principles :)
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  I conclude evolution is guided

  by KateWild in

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  your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

  k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

  in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

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  Viviane

  For the record I've worked on in whole or part on apps you literally use on your phone/computer. Rather than insult me perhaps you can just say thanks sheesh. Enough with the barbs.

  Are you like 5 years old or something?
  
  
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  I conclude evolution is guided

  by KateWild in

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  your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

  k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

  in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

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  Let's not put words in my mouth nor act as though I'm uninformed I've pretty much had it with that noise, I'll simply ignore you.

  Let's not. You put the uninformed words in your mouth. No need to get snippy with others because it became plainly obvious to all.
  

  So I categorically disagree with your statement. regarding LUCA.

  Case in point. Viv's Law strikes again.
  

  Now explain to me the charge what caused the event. Happenstance, God, a Leprechaun, a Martian how'd it happen?
  If you can't explain that process you cannot say with anything definitive as to that early bacteria like RNA started chaining and ultimate became DNA.

  Viv's Law strikes again. You confusing evolution with abiogensis.

  
  

  If the "origin" were not important why the hell is everyone trying to solve it???

  No one said it wasn't. For someone who complains about being misunderstood, you have repeatedly attempted to make false claims about others.

  The only question is ... why?
  

  doesn't matter my point is if you can't define that origin you cannot form a concrete opinion, an opinion based on what you know sure, but not an absolute one no one can.

  Huh? You're logic breaks down to "if you don't know something, you can't form an opinion on it". Well.... duh?
  
  
  
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  I conclude evolution is guided

  by KateWild in

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  your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

  k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

  in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

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  Viviane

  1. Show me where I said "a theory" is a guess. In fact I said the opposite several posts back.

  You consistently use theory in the wrong sense and say wrong things about it, whether or not you said it was a guess in those exact words. Here are a few examples of your wrongness.

  Ruling things out as you build your theory comprised of other facts is absolutely part of the scientific process of defining a theory

  many theories just like this one are ultimately proven wrong

  I get it you don't want to address this very key issue because there's no answer hence it frustrates you and your firm belief of Evolution, probably because you don't like hearing that it is only a theory.

  Literally every one of those statements is wrong. Once again, a theory is not a hypothesis. A theory is a well substantiation explanation for events supported by multiple lines of evidence, observation and experimentation. It is subject to change as new information becomes available, of course, but when you say things like what you said above, it shows you've no real idea what you are talking about.
  

  Not one person here has had a single prolific thing to say about this problem.

  Cofty has answered you several times.
  
  

  No matter how many times I say it I see the same post over and over.

  Well, you keep saying wrong things. C'est la vie.

  I get it you want me to accept well it just happened somehow but don't worry about that. No thanks!

  Ah, I see the problem. No, no one particularly cares if you accept it (and no one is asking you to just accept it, there are reams of evidence for you to review if you choose to do so), you are merely being corrected on the wrong things you write in a public comment and discussion forum.

  I get that it angers you because you can't explain this process any more than anyone else. It is what it is. Maybe someone day we'll know until then I personally can't accept any final resolution.

  Please remain honest. No one is angry at you. Pity would probably be a more apt, description. Perhaps amused as well.
  

  Viv, I'm confusing nothing. You are NOT the authority on the matter although you clearly believe you are. What's your degree in?

  I agree, I am not an authority. However, UC Berkeley IS, which is why I quoted them back to you. Also check out these:

  http://humanorigins.si.edu/

  http://undsci.berkeley.edu/article/intro_01

  http://www.livescience.com/20896-science-scientific-method.html

  https://ncse.com/node/16774

  If the Origin of Life is not important why did Darwin spend so much time on it? Why did he write to is colleges about it in various letters.

  Who ever said it wasn't important? Please stop making things up just because you confused abiogenesis with evolution.
  
  

  I know you don't want it to matter because it is a problem for the Evolutionary theory but it absolutely matters.

  Huh? Are you pretending to know things you can't possibly know again?

  Many here (myself, Cofty and Snare, to name a few) think it's an incredibly important and fascinating field of study.
  

  Oh, and just so you can know what "theory" means....

  http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/just-a-theory-7-misused-science-words/

  " A scientific theory is an explanation of some aspect of the natural world that has been substantiated through repeated experiments or testing. But to the average Jane or Joe, a theory is just an idea that lives in someone's head, rather than an explanation rooted in experiment and testing."