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  There is science that prove God exists

  by HopeEverLasting in

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  jehovahs witnesses think that just the bible is proof that god exists but they are wrong.

  there is another mode for how he exists.

  now we all know many scientists who are creationists now weren’t creationists until they examined the evidence for themselves.

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  Viviane

  Viviane you still don't know what caused these planets to come to be formed. There's your evidence.

  Gravity and light elements are what caused it. But, even if we didn't know, "God" isn't the answer to I don't know.
  
  
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  There is science that prove God exists

  by HopeEverLasting in

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  jehovahs witnesses think that just the bible is proof that god exists but they are wrong.

  there is another mode for how he exists.

  now we all know many scientists who are creationists now weren’t creationists until they examined the evidence for themselves.

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  Viviane

  Well we COULD be a little less harsh on Hope here.

  So.... Asking for proof and saying we disagree with someone telling us we're all wrong and all evidence is wrong is harsh?
  

  Points of scientific method aside, the real question asked is, if everything came from nothing, then what created the nothing? It's as old a question as the chicken and the egg.

  What do you mean by "nothing"? There is literally not example of "nothing" in the universe.
  
  

  Many physicists are talking now about the 'God particle,' subatomic anomalies that cannot be explained with current scientific models. They operate outside the known laws of physics and perhaps are doorways to other dimensions.

  That is not at all what the God particle its. It's the Higgs boson, a particle that creates a field that gives other particles mass. It was predicted BY the known laws of physics.

  Also, based on observations, the laws we know about and using mathematical particles, we KNOW there are more particles out there.
  

  They simply can't express that view publicly, as it would cause them to lose credibility in the scientific community.

  Wrong again. What they lose credibility for is bringing their religious beliefs into the lab.
  
  
  
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  There is science that prove God exists

  by HopeEverLasting in

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  jehovahs witnesses think that just the bible is proof that god exists but they are wrong.

  there is another mode for how he exists.

  now we all know many scientists who are creationists now weren’t creationists until they examined the evidence for themselves.

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  Viviane

  Let's be clear if the earth was created by no one then you are certain that God didn't create the other planets in which there is no proof for that.

  Every bit of available evidence indicates nothing supernatural was involved in planetary formation. If you've evidence to the contrary, please present it.
  

  If I say it proves God exists then it does.

  You're just proving Jeff's point. You saying something doesn't make it true. If you've evidence to the contrary, please present it.

  Or that they were evolution themselves? Let's not act like they are totally different.

  Planetary formation and evolution are very different. If you've evidence to the contrary, please present it.
  

  Whose to say those planets weren't formed by God.

  Every single bit of available evidence shows otherwise. If you've evidence to the contrary, please present it.
  
  
  
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  There is science that prove God exists

  by HopeEverLasting in

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  jehovahs witnesses think that just the bible is proof that god exists but they are wrong.

  there is another mode for how he exists.

  now we all know many scientists who are creationists now weren’t creationists until they examined the evidence for themselves.

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  Viviane

  I do mean we could say science proves God exists because some of the best scientists have saw fit for themselves through a lot of research that God exists

  More than do believe don't. What's your point.
  

  And that everything came from nothing.

  What do you mean by "nothing"?

  All atheistic evolutionists cannot seem to explain how other planets were formed.

  Evolution has nothing to do with planetary formation. Regardless...http://hubblesite.org/hubble_discoveries/discovering_planets_beyond/how-do-planets-form

  At least the creationist scientist were able to research and see for themselves what made sense instead of baseless assumptions.

  Please show us this research that has more supporting evidence than traditional science.
  
  
  
  
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  I believe in Evolution and that God created life

  by Crabby in

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  anyone else also hold this view or understand it at least, or do you feel the need to argue that both can in no way coexist?.

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  Viviane

  "Your comments are unfounded, baseless and unscientific"
  rinse repeat.
  Anyone of you care to share your SAT score, IQ, Portfolio. I bet a lot of the ppl you call stupid are probably not so stupid.

  Why are you comparing facts about your posts to how mean you just were to crabby, and, strangely mixing in comments how to properly shampoo one's hair?

  You're the only person who's called anyone stupid, so it seems like you're basically saying the people you called stupid aren't as dumb as you think they are.

  Anyway, this thread has devolved into two guys trying to show how tough they are in their own mind. I've better things to do that watch people act like 13 year old boys in the locker room for the first time.
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  Looking for evolutionary info on how smells can be carried on DNA

  by Crabby in

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  as i said last night the smell of pus from an infection is recognized by all puppies without their being exposed to the smell previously, this is shown because all puppies react the same way to this smell, which is to lick the infected pus laden wound.. this demonstrates that smells are carried on dna in some way.

  any thoughts on how?.

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  Viviane

  There is clear evidence that the smell of pus and flowers can be passed down as a memory to the offspring.

  It's clear that you don't know what "evidence" and "memories" are.
  
  
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  I believe in Evolution and that God created life

  by Crabby in

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  anyone else also hold this view or understand it at least, or do you feel the need to argue that both can in no way coexist?.

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  Viviane

  Viv, DNA is an information system of some kind, or at least it is the hardware to carry the information. Seriously VIV as a JW you are not even allowed to read science books not approved by the WT, you are also not allowed to pursue a higher education, which is why you are so foolishly ignorant. In fact if your elders knew of your postings here you would likely be disfellowshipped as you are wasting your time on not WT sponsored activities. I do not agree with this, but it is true.

  Back up, ShortRound, you still owe us information on how your ideas are scientific, a specific component being falsifiability. Before you move on to saying more wrong things and making unfounded claims, let's settle what you previously claimed.

  Also, I'm not a JW. You're being goofy.
  

  @crabby you disagree therefore you are stupid.

  Wow. That's mean. It also applied to you, so quite self deprecating as well.
  
  
  
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  I believe in Evolution and that God created life

  by Crabby in

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  anyone else also hold this view or understand it at least, or do you feel the need to argue that both can in no way coexist?.

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  Viviane

  So let me get this straight. DNA/RNA is not an information system and DNA doesn't qualify as code.

  Right.
  

  It developed spontaneously, by itself, from basic elements in solid and liquid form

  Wrong.
  

  It created a system so intricate and complicated, we are still trying to figure out how it works.

  What is "it"?
  

  
  One-celled organisms transformed into multi-celled organisms. From multi-celled organisms these would magically turn into complicated life forms and divide into male and female sexes.

  No, magic is not involved. "Magic" is actually your position.
  
  

  Yes, I know a period of 450 million years is a long time and lots of things can happen during that time. That's why evolutionism qualifies as a religion. One must have a lot of faith to believe in all of that.

  Wrong. Faith and magic are your positions. evidence, rooms, building and thousands of volumes of it, is how we know this. No faith or magic involved.
  

  Well, I will also make a prediction. They will not find life on Mars or anywhere else in the solar system (except earth) because life, in any form, cannot be kick started by itself, not in a million years.

  That's actually an unprovable assertion. It is not fasifiable. It's like saying "no human can live forever". You know, science and stuff. And logic.
  
  

  "It's all just electrons doing their thing." Intelligent electrons! I have never heard of such codswallop in my whole life.

  Neither has anyone else. Where did you get that idea from? Atoms and particles behave according to physics. Where are you getting "intelligence" from? That's from your side, "intelligent design", and it's all faith and magic.
  

  Anyway, DNA qualifies as an information system, whether you like it or not. The sender of this information system is God, and the recipients are all the life forms on earth, and I am grateful for his magnanimous generosity.

  You just argued against magic and faith, now you claim it. Which is it you want? If you want it, then your entire previous post goes in the waste bin. If you don't want it, your last comment invalidates your entire post.
  
  
  
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  I believe in Evolution and that God created life

  by Crabby in

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  anyone else also hold this view or understand it at least, or do you feel the need to argue that both can in no way coexist?.

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  Viviane

  Ah, Viv's back. Please Viv, if you have the time, go through the video, and let me know if you see logical flaws in the presentation, and what they are. There's no rush, so take your time. Thanks in anticipation.

  It starts out with a flaw, the parts regarding language and information. I didn't need to go any further to realize their entire premise is wrong. No need for me to write anything more as Cofty has already done an excellent job.
  

  Adaptation is necessary for survival. But in most cases it would pre-programmed. Some view spontaneous mutations as the cause.

  What Caedes said.
  

  As mentioned, spontaneous mutations are very seldom beneficial. They kill rather than improve.

  Whatever was mentioned is wrong. They are usually, mostly harmless. The harmful ones tend to not reproduce because, you know, they're harmful. The beneficial ones tend to live on.
  
  
  
  
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  I believe in Evolution and that God created life

  by Crabby in

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  2. beliefs

  anyone else also hold this view or understand it at least, or do you feel the need to argue that both can in no way coexist?.

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  Viviane

  I know that JW's do not study any sort of science, thus they have no rights to comment on such topics. Thus the JW World View is one of purposeful ignorance, but since ignorance is bliss you are quite happy.
  Zippy zippy zing............
  CIAO idiot

  Alright, I'll let you down easy. You just weren't up to the task, you didn't measure up, you came up short and now you have to leave, to run away and pretend the woman is the problem to preserve a tiny shred of dignity that, deep down in the place where you know all this is true, you know that shred is even false.

  Anyway, tootles, Noodle!