Viviane

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  Can you prove that our entire universe and existence is not a computer simulation?

  by EndofMysteries in

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  if you were a computer programmer and you were to create a simulated automated world, that would constantly evolve and self run after initial designs.

  first you would have to code the rules, laws, and core elements of this world.

  while this is being coded, the program is not run yet, so none of it exists.

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  Viviane

  Corollary question that's just as valid... Can you prove our universe is not just a molecule swirling in a unicorn toot?
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  How do we know JWs are wrong and how do we convince others JWs are wrong: logic versus persuasion

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  we like to think we are logical and have good reasons for for our beliefs.

  no more so than when it comes to our reasons for rejecting the truth claims of jws.

  we reject their version of history, such as the date of the fall of jerusalem, because it doesn't agree with the historical evidence.

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  Viviane

  My experience and reading indicates to me that JWs tend to leave JWs, not because their beliefs have been refuted, but because the beliefs and practice of being a JW have been displaced by their needs being met elsewhere.

  
  
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  How do we know JWs are wrong and how do we convince others JWs are wrong: logic versus persuasion

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  we like to think we are logical and have good reasons for for our beliefs.

  no more so than when it comes to our reasons for rejecting the truth claims of jws.

  we reject their version of history, such as the date of the fall of jerusalem, because it doesn't agree with the historical evidence.

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  Viviane

  Logical arguments only work with people are are already convinced. Amd persuasion only works with people who want to be persuaded.

  Huh?

  Logical arguments work on people who understand logic (good logic) and are willing to use it. Persuasion works on people who are willing to be persuaded by whatever they deem as important.
  
  
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  Can you prove that our entire universe and existence is not a computer simulation?

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. social
  2. current

  if you were a computer programmer and you were to create a simulated automated world, that would constantly evolve and self run after initial designs.

  first you would have to code the rules, laws, and core elements of this world.

  while this is being coded, the program is not run yet, so none of it exists.

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  Viviane

  I don't know how accurate that is, but again it makes you wonder about the usefulness of the distinction between reality and simulation.

  It's accurate in the same sense that a nuclear blast is a chance to re-landscape the garden and about as useful. It's a perfect example of Viv's Law. He is simply using a poor understanding of quantum state superpostion and wave function collapse to arrive at this idea of reality being "filled in". Many an armchair phsysicists attempting deep thoughts on reality have fallen into this trap.
  
  
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  Can you prove that our entire universe and existence is not a computer simulation?

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. social
  2. current

  if you were a computer programmer and you were to create a simulated automated world, that would constantly evolve and self run after initial designs.

  first you would have to code the rules, laws, and core elements of this world.

  while this is being coded, the program is not run yet, so none of it exists.

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  Viviane

  Seems like someone doesn't know how proof or logic works. Or programming, compiling, beta and alpha testing, etc.
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  Debating With Evolution Deniers is Just Like This

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
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  arguing with those who reject scientific evidence can be like arguing about football; just as angry and passionate, but the goalposts keep moving, and one team doesn't exist.. read more here....

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  Viviane

  I don't think people understand the logic of saying "can't happen".
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  People hate God?

  by looter in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it is a pain that certain individuals pride themselves on hating god, who created everything.

  like it's understandable that you choose to not believe in him because of your selfishness or thinking skills but to hate him is forcing it a bit.

  i'm very thankful that those such as myself have the courage to believe in the lord.

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  Viviane

  Like it's understandable that you choose to not believe in him because of your selfishness or thinking skills but to hate him is forcing it a bit.

  Choose not to believe? That's like saying I choose not to believe in unicorns orbiting the moon. There's just no evidence for it. This why, when people like you use the words "thinking skills", it's a perfect example of Viv's Law.
  
  
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  Debating With Evolution Deniers is Just Like This

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  arguing with those who reject scientific evidence can be like arguing about football; just as angry and passionate, but the goalposts keep moving, and one team doesn't exist.. read more here....

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  Viviane

  Shunning? That's what witnesses do and I'm strictly against that nonsense. Everything else you mentioned is just a generalization.

  This is a typical theist position of wanting to claim the good stuff and say "oh, all that bad stuff I reject" even though it's part and parcel of their belief system. They do it with themselves because they do it with their god, try to claim it awesome and pretend the really really horrible stuff can be waved away.

  It's a joke. It's both morally and intellectually dishonest.
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  Debating With Evolution Deniers is Just Like This

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  arguing with those who reject scientific evidence can be like arguing about football; just as angry and passionate, but the goalposts keep moving, and one team doesn't exist.. read more here....

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  Viviane

  So now Vidquin is trying to blame me for getting caught pretending to be a microbiologist and for not reading things he googled that say something other than what he claimed?

  Wow, that's pretty funny!
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  Debating With Evolution Deniers is Just Like This

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  arguing with those who reject scientific evidence can be like arguing about football; just as angry and passionate, but the goalposts keep moving, and one team doesn't exist.. read more here....

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  Viviane

  Wait. Wait Wait Wait. So microfauxologist Vid posts a link to an article about docs prescribing anti-biotics for what they think is an infection but is really the flu, and somehow thinks this means doctors are prescribing them FOR the flu?

  This Is hilarious.