Posts by Viviane

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What is the purpose of life?

by slimboyfat in

while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

Viviane

Yes, he is. It's related to consciousness and that's the subject of Psychology. Some positivists doesn't consider Psychology as valid knowledge though.

Except he doesn't have a hypothesis. It's just something he said. So.... you promoting an unscientific idea as something to be proven while trying to use it to say....well, whatever weird thing you've fallen for.

That's why I'd asked you. My apologies if I'd insulted you. I can only make claims about your positions based about what you writes here. Could you tell me what other kinds of knowledge do you accept as valid?

No, you made a claim about me with absolutely no knoweldge of whether or not it was true. You didn't ask until you got called out for it.

Yes, I could tell you.

If it makes you feel better I can say I did a bad joke about you being a positivist.

There is literally nothing you could do to alter any emotion I have any any amount,

I would not be comfortable if someone labelled me as a positivist. That's why I said maybe you even aren't aware to be one.

No, you assumed I didn't know what it was and chose to attempt to speak down to me. Sucks for you that I actually know what posovitism is. You've yet to produce any evidence that you do. This might be an excellent lesson for you, you aren't as smart as you think you are and you should go around talking down to people, making ignorant claims and assumptions about them and then promoting those ignorant claims and assumptions as fact.

Maybe. But if I'm wrong it will not make a significant difference in purpose of life if our destination is complete oblivion.

Nope, the problem is that sharing and encouraging people to fall for deepitys and woo encourages things like anti-vaxxers and parents that think prayer will heal their child. It actually costs people their lives.

You know the real problem is if I'm right. That's makes one wonder about...

Once you explain how your definition of posotovism matches the one Nicolau posted (something you seem very eager to avoid), then you can explain how it's a "problem" if you are right.

I mean, this isn't /r/Im14AndThisIsDeep.

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What is the purpose of life?

by slimboyfat in

while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

Viviane

My point is to show that Bicameralism is a serious valid thesis about the origin of human consciousness.

Soz, Richard Dawkins saying it's probably rubbish but he's hedging his bets doesn't count as validation. Also, if it's a thesis, that means he's intending to prove it with science. Why are you promoting posotivism?

Speaking of which, you've yet to show that your definition of posotivism matches your claims. Why won't you do that?

It's a very convincing hypothesis and I think you would enjoy to read it.

I have read it. And if it is a "hypothesis", that means he is using science. Why are you promoting posotivism?

Viviane I don't understand your lack of education to me. I never insulted you and I'm just sharing some knowledge about the origin of consciousness and its relationship with the purpose of life.

You're not sharing knowledge, first. You're sharing woo and deepitys and calling it knowledge and making false claims about people and reality. Second, I have no idea what you mean by "lack of education to me".

About the Positivism, I just classified you as a positivist because you seems just consider the scientific method as the only valid human knowledge. Am I right about this opinion of you? If not, tell me what other forms of human knowledge (beyond scientific method) do you accept as valid.

You are wrong about me. You shouldn't make claims about people you don't know anything about. This isn't about me.

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What is the purpose of life?

by slimboyfat in

while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

Viviane

That's not the opinion of the two major advocates of Atheism.

So what? Atheism has nothing to do with what you and they have chosen to fall for.

Anyway, you've yet to show us how your definition of posovitism matches what nicolau wrote. Why are you afraid to show that what you wrote matches?

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What is the purpose of life?

by slimboyfat in

while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

Viviane

I didn't mean scientific theory, but this:

In the general sense, a philosophical position[1] is a position that explains or accounts for a general philosophy or specific branch of philosophy.

That's science, attempting to explain or account for something. But, even then, thomistic views on the soul aren't a general philosophy or specific branch of philosophy. There is no thomistic philosophy of the soul, so you can't have even really meant what you're claiming to have meant.

Anyway, you've yet to show how your claims about posotivism are correct. Please do that and quit avoiding it.

But they lacked the ability to adapt and evolve technology. Some Homo used the same tools during millions of years. Any change in environment meant extinction. Clearly their minds worked in a very different way in relation to Hss

Ooops.

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/ist/?next=/science-nature/becoming-human-the-origin-of-stone-tools-55335180/

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What is the purpose of life?

by slimboyfat in

while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

Viviane

I didn't say this knowledge is scientific (it can't be) but is philosophical.
And internally there's logical consistency in this system.

Philosophy is about improving what we know and how we think. You certainly aren't doing any of that, in fact, you're doing quite the opposite. You're anti-philosophizing, really.

If you read about Bicameralism you'll find more explanations about what I mean.

Bicameralism is literally nothing more than something some guy said that you've chosen to fall for.

I am curious what your criteria for belief is. Is is "some guy said it" or "it makes me feel good"?

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What is the purpose of life?

by slimboyfat in

while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

Viviane

Yes, this is the Thomistic view on soul. Is based on Aristotle indeed.

View? You said theory. Which is it? I ask because "theory" is science. It is supported by evidence, experiment, observation and experiment. You just tried to support what you said with evidence. Posovitism? Are you doing exactly what you accuse other of?

Oh you! You're such a hypocrite!

I didn't said that. I said animals, humanoids and anatomically modern humans can live without the immortal soul (Psyche) but not without the mortal souls (vegetative and sensitive or Anima).

No, you said god gave some humanoid animals souls, that made those specific animals human, who then had sex with the non-ensouled animals. That's a clear case of bestiality.

Why does your religion promote bestiality?

So, anyway, you STILL have't shown us how your definition of posovitism is correct. Why are you so afraid to do that? Seriously, if you were in fact correct, it would take... two, maybe three sentences? Why won't you do it?

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What is the purpose of life?

by slimboyfat in

while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

Viviane

Yes I agree. But I was not talking about logic in that sense.
I was talking about logical consistency inside philosophical systems about soul.

Internal logical consistency exists whether we are talking about the soul, Harry Potter or math. You've demonstrated none.

Well that's not what I meant. I accept the Thomistic theory of soul.

Well, no you don't. This is where knowing what you are talking about comes in handy. No such thing actually exists. At best, you have the Aristotlean view of a natural body with the capacity to act because of a soul. You've already declared that humanoids can act without souls, so you shot your own argument in the foot. That's where knowing critical thinking and logic come in handy. It helps you to stop from arguing against yourself.

In short it says that there's 3 kinds of soul.

Yeah, that's totally 100% bullshit lies from you, no need to address anything lies you say.

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What is the purpose of life?

by slimboyfat in

while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

Viviane

I used the generic term because there's a branch that only accepts or includes the acceptance of logic (philosophy). That's called Logical Positivism.

True enough, but you didn't discuss that narrow branch. By any measure, what you claimed posovitism is, isn't it.

So, show how your definition is the same as what you claim it is, specifically, what nicolau posted. We're waiting.

There's a new term being used interchangeable to classical (from Comte) Positivism: Scientism.

Scientism isn't a new term and it's not interchangeable.

I don't think Cofty and Viviane are logical positivists because the philosophy of soul is presented with logical consistency and both deny the logical conclusion of the soul.

So far, you've demonstrated quite capably that you've no idea what posovitism is, so no idea why you think you have a valid opinion on it.

Either way, you've also presented no logic that leads to the conclusion of "souls exist". You've simply said your god gave some animals souls and then forced them into bestiality and incest. Hardly logic.

They even can't admit the soul it's not a subject for the scientific method.

First, there's nothing to admit. Second, you used science in your attempt to prove a soul. Why should I "admit" something shouldn't be done when you tried to do it?

They clearly advocates the universal use of scientific method and don't recognise any other form of knowledge as valid.

That is such lying bullshit. You keep saying it because it's all you've got. You're a typical theist, no idea WTF you are talking about and running around lying about other people at the drop of a hat. Sadly, it's exactly what to expect from people like you.

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What is the purpose of life?

by slimboyfat in

while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

Viviane

Eliminative Materialism says the human consciousness does not exist because it cannot be scientifically verified.

That's not what eliminative materialism says at all. You either are completely uneducated about what you are talking about, trolling or lying.

So anyway, please show us how your definition of posotivism is the same as the one nicolau posted and, once that is done, how I said it was wrong. You've all your work ahead of you.

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What is the purpose of life?

by slimboyfat in

while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

Viviane

Viv you can add anything to any imaginary list you like as far as I am concerned. You never back up anything you say. If you ever make an actual argument in favour of any of the claims you make, there will be something to discuss

Awww.... the "but you do it toooo!" argument. It's wrong, of course. For example, when you made a wrong claim recently about what WT publications said and the source material showed you wrong and then you whined about....something or other about me because you didn't get to make claims and tell lies about people unfettered. Honestly, all whining sounds the same to me, like a three year old pitching a fit because of bedtime.

So, anyway, enough with the lies. Anytime I make a claim about science or what something says or someone said, I back it up when necessary. That's been shown over and over and over. Whining doesn't change that.