Posts by Viviane

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What is the purpose of life?

by slimboyfat in

while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

Viviane

Consider tsunamis to be accidents, uncontrolled events of tectonic plate movements

Sorry, if there is an omni-everything god, then there can be no uncontrolled event or accident.

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What is the purpose of life?

by slimboyfat in

while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

Viviane

and responsible for billions and billions of lives.

So what? If you have 100 children, it's OK to murder a few of them, is that your argument?

So I can make an assertion that free will is more important and valuable than mortal life itself.

Well, you can, but it's not at all related to this discussion. No one was choosing to die in the tsunami. Your god was the root cause and let it continue. He's an asshole.

Oh, BTW, you still haven't shown how your claims about posotivism match reality. Specifically, you claimed that your definition of posotivism matched what Nicolau posted, so far you've not shown that to be true. Why have you run away from that? What have you to fear if truth is on your side?

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What is the purpose of life?

by slimboyfat in

while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

Viviane

Apparently the problem could be supernaturally intervened without damaging free will. But the butterfly effect prevents me to accept this statement.

So.... it's not free will to be killed by a tsunami. The butterfly effect would not be a problem for an omni-everything god, such as the one you worship. In fact, far from a problem, it's wouldn't even be a thing that exists because everything that happens is according to his will.

Your god is responsible for millions of deaths. It's just that simple. He's an asshole, which is why you should worship his creator, Unicorn Sparkle Pony.

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What is the purpose of life?

by slimboyfat in

while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

Viviane

And I am sure you have not read all his books.
You just believe he is wrong because some one told you he is wrong.

It's hilarious to see the hubris of people, ignorantly making claims about others that they can't possibly know. Of course, if you believe in invisible sky fairies and aliens breeding humans to fight wars, it's not surprising.

However, believing we "know enough", is often precisely a symptom of not knowing very much at all. It's recently been called the "Dunning-Kruger effect", where our confidence of knowledge or expertise in a subject is inversely proportional to our mastery of the subject.

That's not what the Dunning-Kreuger effect is. Ironically, as your post illustrates, you suffer from the condition you misidentified.

We may think we've got a handle on the nature of reality, the universe, how things worked and likely developed. Who is to say?

Who is this "we" you speak for? Certainly not the people doing the investigating, who plainly will tell you there are many mysteries, fundamental mysteries to be solved.

I ask because you keep attempting to use philosophy, science and evidence in your posts, as if you know what you are doing, but you keep doing it so poorly, it's as if you lack the skills to judge whether or not you are doing it well because, if you could, you would have the skills to do it well.

If only there was a name for that....

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What is the purpose of life?

by slimboyfat in

while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

Viviane

I don't think we can say it is impossible that God has good reasons that we don't know.

And no one is saying that, again. It may well be true that there is an all loving invisible magical sky zombie that is omnipotent and omniscient that has a good reason for slaughtering billions of his children, creating untold terror, fear and hate. If true, it just makes him an asshole.

Why is this so hard for you to grasp?

The only time belief that actually deserves disrespect is when the faith in whatever is being malicious but all I'm doing and others on here are doing is letting people come to realize that we know ~~God~~ Unicorn Sparkle Pony exists and that he wants us to be aware of him but not just us but everyone alive today. If only more people thought about this though.

Why do you deny the truth of Unicorn Sparkle Pony? If only you thought about this through.

I can assure you that I'm not interested in a contest of this kind.

Of course not. It's natural to fear what you don't understand.

Atheists and theists have ideological enemies in common, like Nihilism.

"Atheists" are not a group with a set of common beliefs. All it means is they lack belief in a god, goddess, gods, goddesses, spirits, demons, fairies, etc.

This choice can only be made while we are alive. After death your intentions throughout your life will be fixed in your soul forever with no turning back.

Wait, so your invisible magical sky zombie hides himself and give us no evidence so we can choose willingly to believe in an invisible magical sky zombie with no evidence and, if we don't, we get eternal torture?

Wow, you're invisible magical sky zombie is an asshole. That's why you should worship Unicorn Sparkle Pony. He's not an asshole.

Freedom of choice needs total privacy too, that's why your mental intentions cannot be read by anyone. You have total privacy about your deepest thoughts/intentions.

I was getting worried. You hadn't said anything nutter butter for a while, good to see you're OK.

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What is the purpose of life?

by slimboyfat in

while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

Viviane

You said you want evidence that he Unicorn Sparkle Pony? exists? Well I will give you evidence. How about the fact that you and I and billions are actually alive and well on this Earth today without harm and are sufficient? If ~~God~~ Unicorn Sparkle Pony wanted to, he Unicorn Sparkle Pony can crush us with his ~~finger~~ hoof but he doesn't because he loves us. What about our own brain and the fact that our brain can have the ability to disbelieve in the ~~Lord~~ Unicorn Sparkle Pony should give us evidence that he Unicorn Sparkle Pony exists as if he didn't he Unicorn Sparkle Pony wouldn't have gave us that ability.

All hail USP! Fixed to reflect the true faith of all man. It makes exactly as much sense.

The complexity of ~~our brain~~ The Lord's brain as ~~humans~~ a spirit can only be through a designer.

All hail Unicorn Sparkle Pony for revealing this truth! As the lord you worship is complex, it clearly must have had a designer. That designer is Unicorn Sparkle Pony.

~~Christ~~ Unicorn Sparkle Pony talked about having a moral conscience and that is something that just doesn't come into existence. You can also reference it with what ~~Daniel~~ PinkBerry Crunch said in chapter 6 verse 4 about what ~~Jesus~~ Unicorn Sparkle Pony talked about.

All praise be to Unicorn Sparkle Pony for giving us the neighs and brays of his equine prophet, PinkBerry Crunch.

Didn't mean to be angry at you, but when people denounce what you believe in so much, it makes you angry. But bless you and I hope he helps you see what's true.

That's nutters. Obviously you need the true faith of Unicorn Sparkly Pony. It makes me so mad that you don't worship his equine glory! I am just helping you see what's true.

You feel that belief in God is wrong and totally stupid because you yourself don't believe God exists, right?

Wrong. Again, I specifically said this is NOT about faith. Why are you still lying?

And don't tell me you don't because if you didn't you wouldn't be constantly saying I'm a nutterball.

I believe I said "nutter butter", but regardless, your belief in god isn't why that's true.

Well belief in God and doctrines is faith in which you don't think is right so you feel it's gracious to treat me and anyone who has it like we're beneath you or something.

This statement tells me that, no matter what evidence you have for something or what reality is, you choose to ignore it. That's the "nutter butter" part. Not belief in god.

This isn't dishonesty on my part as I've a firm believer and have no problem letting others know. You only say it's dishonest because you don't believe in God so stop saying I'm dishonest.

I'll stop saying it when you stop lying.

Your failure to see that you are in fact a positivist with not even courtesy to respect another's belief that's not your own is astonishing.

You don't even know what posotivism is, much less anything about me. Thinking you do and are qualified to comment about me? Total nutter butter. Also, if you want your beliefs respected, have respectable beliefs. Such as believing the word of our lord and savior, Unicorn Sparkle Pony.

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What is the purpose of life?

by slimboyfat in

while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

Viviane

This is a poor response because it is the atheist argument which is making the presumption in this case

SBF, stop lying, please. It really is ridiculous watching do your best to "get one" on cofty, atheist, the educated, the reasoned and rational and the critical thinker.

You've misrepresented every single argument you've talked about, Cofty's, every philosophy you've brought up and whined when it was shown beyond a shadow of a doubt you were misrepresenting things you claimed you were quoting.

It's becoming quite pathetic at this point.

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What is the purpose of life?

by slimboyfat in

while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

Viviane

It's atheists who are making the positive claim, if they say that, because God's goodness and almightiness seem irreconcilable to us humans, therefore they are reconcilable in reality, and therefore there must be no Chrustian God.

But they don't say that. Stop being dishonest.

I know of no logical way to exclude this possibility, therefore I do not think the God of the Bible has been disproved.

Try actually studying the philosophy you seem so fond of getting wrong and you might understand why you keep getting it wrong.

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What is the purpose of life?

by slimboyfat in

while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

Viviane

Should I chuckle, Viviane?

I certainly hope not. Systemic dishonesty is no laughing matter.

Did you really just say to have respectable beliefs in order to be respected?

No, I didn't. Try reading it again.

That just proves I wasn't dishonest in how you as so adiment that faith is wrong you don't have the ability to respect others faith even though it isn't wrong and isn't hurting you or anyone.

Well, first, you are wrong about what I said. Second, even if you weren't wrong, that's still not "proof". You made untrue claims, even after knowing they were wrong. That's what makes you and your claims dishonest. It's a systemic problem with self-righteous theists.

I specifically said my comment was NOT about faith. Seriously, try reading.

You think it's wrong based on your own beliefs which is fine but when you treat others like myself like we are below you because we still believe in the bible, it just shows the type of person you are. You love to trample others on things you think are incorrect about them.

Again, I SPECIFICALLY said it was NOT about faith. Stop pretending that what this is about. It's dishonest in the extreme.

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What is the purpose of life?

by slimboyfat in

while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

Viviane

What is the logical basis for ruling out the possibility that there may be a solution to the problem of evil that humans either don't or are not able to understand?

Let's unpack this post and answer it for you.

Of course there is that possibility. In Cofty's thread, which you should read, it's explicitly called that that this is a possibility, but that makes god a moral monster, an asshole.

There are various aspects of reality that the human mind is not able to grasp. We are not equipped to conceptualise more than three dimensions for example, although we theorise that many more exist.

Speak for yourself, first of all. Secondly, you are pretending that "grasp", conceptialize and theorize are the same things. We can grasp four dimentions, theorize it AND conceptualize.

So why should the inability of the human mind to conceive a solution to the problem of evil be proof that no solution exists?

Non sequitur. The solutions are "god is an asshole", "god is indifferent", "god is not omni" or "there is no god".

I am interested to know what an atheist response to this is, beyond mere sneering.

The response is "think about it using logic, reason, critical thinking, philosophy and reality instead of being a lazy twit and pretending that those things are 'sneering'".