Posts by Viviane

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What is the purpose of life?

by slimboyfat in

while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

Viviane

But usually the common positions are the dichotomy I mentioned.

Since when? Where? Citation required.

This implies that He can decide what to known.

It quite literally doesn't mean that at all. Stop with your dishonesty.

Your god is just an asshole.

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What is the purpose of life?

by slimboyfat in

while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

Viviane

There is no problem?
Or no evil?

The one I said.

God by definition is an omniscient Judge.
Purgatory solves this problem.

Your god is an asshole. "Hey, I am going to punish you for being born into the wrong family." Purgatory doesn't "solve a problem", it just shows what a jerk of a god you guys made up.

But to outside observers two positions can take place.
One is the position of faith in God. And the other is the position that God can't exist if such evil exists.

False dichotomy alert!

You're forgetting the option of "your god is just an asshole".

God thought for sake of Infinite Justice He Itself needed to face human suffering. So he set a model that the problem of evil is so mysterious that even God Itself had to experience it.

Wait, god didn't know something? You just wrote he was omniscient. Do you actually know what omniscient means?

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What is the purpose of life?

by slimboyfat in

while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

Viviane

Me too but I was talking about in the context of the problem of evil. Evil still have no known explanation even in an atheistic scenario.

There is no problem of evil if you take god out of the picture.

What more can I say to a person who judges others by their appearance and clothing?

You mean exactly like your god said to do?

You're lucky you are not my son, DJS, because you can use some discipline right about now.

STFU.

I'm a minor and I don't appreciate someone trying to make me out to be some old fart.

You are very minor. In every way possible. Are you hip to that jazz? Are you groovy? Are you down with OPP? You're not a square, are you?

As an adolescent, I feel that I have acquired more knowledge than you in my young life because I actually believe that the true God has made all of us.

Every moron teenager (which you aren't, so stop pretending) thinks they are a genius. I would say welcome to the idiot club for teens, except you aren't a teen.

How dare you mock God, Viviane!

Your god can sniff my farts. He's that impotent. I dare him to do anything.

I specifically suggest that you stop hating God and then maybe you'd be more happier but that is just my suggestion.

I specifically suggest you stop telling people what to do and pretending you know anything about anything, old man. Again, I dare your god. Let's see what happens.

You welcome.

You misspelled "awesome". And "you're", but I'll let that one slide

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What is the purpose of life?

by slimboyfat in

while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

Viviane

Anyway I meant a description of what could happen without considering the existence of God.

I get up, go to work, have friends, make dinner, watch movies just like everyone else. And I get called evil.

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What is the purpose of life?

by slimboyfat in

while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

Viviane

SBF is approaching Trumpian levels of honesty.

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What is the purpose of life?

by slimboyfat in

while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

Viviane

Yes, this is the very problem of evil. But WHY it happens in an atheist scenario?

What is an "atheist scenario"?

for arguments sake if God had stopped the tsunami he would have been expressing control over the future. This is a huge no no as the future needs to remain open

Wait, so there is something your god can't do? Then why is it "god"?

Natural laws will not be violated, never have been, and have served us well as a species to get here. Beyond that, as a human, be thankful, enjoy the extra perks, the luxuries that our times allow. stop whining. stop demanding more than you see that is already given. an ironclad promise that the laws are reliable, can work for and with you.

But by his existence, god violates natural laws. So that's right out. The rest of your post is just you asking to stop asking questions about your apparently impotent god.

My position regarding the purpose of existence of the universe (including the origin and problem of evil, of course) consists in analysing the amount of explanations we have about it. Basically there are 4 metaphysical explanations I find them very interesting and sums up the reasonings of humans about cosmogony.

I would love to hear those as soon as you show us that you even know what positivism is. Why are you afraid to do that? What are you hiding?

Keep having that same evil lack of faith that will do nothing but cast you out of God's plans for ever. It is amazing how you and other people continue to say that God does not care to help us.

If your god exists, he is impotent. On the plus side, I'm evil now, so yaaaay!

And these animals ranges from bears, rhinos cats, elephants, wolves and all the others. You said until something better comes along, well, we are what's better and I assure you that we are as better as it can possibly get.

Go fight a bear and let me know how that goes for you. Feel free to ask you impotent god for help.

Remember, it is not God's fault that we have all this suffering

It most certainly is your impotent god's fault. You wish to claim he is omni-everything, yet not responsible for anything. I mean, the poor guy can't even lift a pebble or appear in front of people. A baby can do that.

Or if thoughtful atheists are embarrassed by atheists who go around insisting God has been disproved and believers must be either ignorant or dishonest.

Of course not. I mean, any specific god a believe chooses to define can be disproved, of course, but a nebulous concept which the claimants can't define? You can't disprove that. Just politely explain it and move on.

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What is the purpose of life?

by slimboyfat in

while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

Viviane

If we didn't have moving tectonic plates we wouldn't be here according to a popular hypothesis - so what's up with your desire to know what posotivism means viv

Do you actually read and understand what you are posting about? I ask because .... it seems you don't.

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What is the purpose of life?

by slimboyfat in

while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

Viviane

The main view of the people directly involved in natural disasters share this view. This is the very conclusion from the majority of victims. This point must be considered.

First, we're still waiting on your clarification on your definition of posotivism and your claim that you got it right as compared to Nicolau's definition. Why are you afraid to do that?

In any event, first, how are you able to claim that the conclusion is from the "majority" of victims? Are you citing a study? Did you talk to them? How are you aware of what the dead victims, including children and babies, said?

I kind of think this claim is bullshit.

You cannot blame people directly involved in the disaster if they find the faith in God explanation better than "shit happens". Rational minds search for meaning and these people chose not "shit happens", even under extreme circumstances

Ah, the old "I don't know what 'victim blaming' (or posovitism) is, but please eat some of this BS I just made up" gambit.

Cofty didn't blame anyone for anything. Try being honest for once.

You cannot have it both ways. Mystery and victim blaming are out of your deck of cards

Yeah, his comment was neither of those things. Do you actually know what any of the things you attempt to talk about are? I ask, because it doesn't seem so.

BTW, "shit happens" to me is an euphemism for secular mystery. So IMHO you can't even use the "shit happens" either.

That's because actually knowing why it happens involves science. It makes sense you would consider that a mystery.

Instead you should scientifically demonstrate for us why our minds perceiving evil at all (natural and man-made) is an evolutionary advantage.
What was exactly the evolutionary pressure that made us the only specie to perceive evil?

First, how do you know that we are the only species to perceive evil? Second, in what way is your question related to this discussion? Third, it actually HAS been researched, there is a good answer and it did involve science, so I am in no way surprised you aren't aware of it.

BTW, don't forget to give us the what what on your definition of posotivism. The foundation of literally everything you say rests on you being correct on your definition of it, so it's somewhat surprising you're done everything you can to avoid showing that you know what it is, especially since it would be so easy to do. It's almost like your quoted words on it won't match reality so you're afraid to do it.

Anywho, tootles!

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What is the purpose of life?

by slimboyfat in

while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

Viviane

I am a realistic deist

So.... that's not a thing that exists.

If all the money donated at the retail level truly would reach these devastated areas

But if they donated all the money, then there would be no jobs, businesses, etc., and now all those at the retail level would be destitute and poor. Hardly realistic.

impenetrable shelters with medical facilities, vitels . could have been constructed.

So, those aren't a thing that exists. Now you need those retailers to generate tax income to fund research for this. Hardly realistic if they just gave it all away.

I am not blaming the sufferers, but do not agree that the creator, giver of the possibilities should be blamed for the inability of individuals, families or societies to mitigate danger.

You're quite willing to pretend that the people who didn't cause the problem should get the blame for not fixing what they didn't they break and be on the hook for it by proposing solutions that are unworkable and don't exists.

We've learned two things. Your god is still as asshole and there is no such thing as a realistic deist.

Why do you worship an asshole?

Could not these seeming setbacks be increments in life's journey to better adaptation?

Oh, well, if you think that killing children could be a way to a better life, I now no longer wonder why you worship an asshole.

Absolutely disgusting.

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What is the purpose of life?

by slimboyfat in

while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

Viviane

Consider tsunamis to be accidents, uncontrolled events of tectonic plate movements

Sorry, if there is an omni-everything god, then there can be no uncontrolled event or accident.