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What is spirit, exactly?
by Viviane in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
i've always wondered that.

recently i asked that question on another thread and didn't really get ananswer.

cofty made an excellent point that we often hear what it isn't, but that really isn't useful.. so, what is it?
galaxie

Hi S&N ...I concur.

I do not believe ' A ' spirit exists as form other than the composite air we breath, as you point out when first the idea of spirit as breath was conjured the components of the air had no way of being scientifically analysed or given names it was just a force of some kind which entered and left the body, giving rise to unrealistic causes of such. The reverberations of which are still apparent today.

I would however say it is logical to assume life is connected to breathing.. stop breathing no life.

Perhaps I have taken you out of context.

Best wishes.
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What is spirit, exactly?
by Viviane in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
i've always wondered that.

recently i asked that question on another thread and didn't really get ananswer.

cofty made an excellent point that we often hear what it isn't, but that really isn't useful.. so, what is it?
galaxie

The explanation of the operation /mechanics of an engine allthough admirable,does not alter the fact that it is useless without the fuel the components of which existed before the engine was ever dreamed of. There is nothing mystical about that.

Likewise the functioning of a body which can be expertly explained, is useless without the fuel which also existed before the body existed, there is nothing mystical about that.

Both examples would not now exist without the processes( evolutionary) which produced an oxygen rich environment.

We could if we wish call spirit oxygen or nitrogen or take your pick, but evolutionary language, sounds, words definitions have brought us to the vocabulary we use.

One such word is spirit,,.what do we do with it consign it to the bin/trash never to be used again?

The O, P. chose to ask of those interested enough to proffer their opinions/explanations of what it is without specifying which definition .

My response was from the outset in human terms( nothing mystical ) that it IS simply the air we breath basically what has given us life, keeps us alive, existed before us,(given that other factors also contributed)but as in ancient cultures air we breathe was seen as spirit(nothing mystical unless you choose for whatever reason you make it mystical supernatural ).

The other definition as a descriptive for human traits as alluded to is also what spirit IS in our vocabulary

Spirit as gods, angels, demons and supernatural force, although so defined is as I have said hogwash imo.

Viv ...I said the act of breathing is NOT SPIRIT you misread.

Best wishes.
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What is spirit, exactly?
by Viviane in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
i've always wondered that.

recently i asked that question on another thread and didn't really get ananswer.

cofty made an excellent point that we often hear what it isn't, but that really isn't useful.. so, what is it?
galaxie

Hi viv;...sorry if I did not make my point clear,but when I refer to breathing I dont mean that the act of breathing is the spirit but is used in terms of taking breath (air oxygen)which is the bodies way of staying alive by using the force of the air in our lungs.

Similarly in Chinese spirit ' qi 'or ' chi ' is literally breath , air, gas.

I did not intend it as contradictory as you have seen it.

So to summarize, spirit is a word used in language with multiple meanings . Sometimes used to mean supernatural beings or influence, I disagree with that.

Sometimes as a descriptive to denote human traits attitudes etc, as you have alluded to, I understand that definition.

Sometimes used to mean in human context the physical air we breath allowing us the force of breathing to keep us alive, I would concur with that although until you asked the initial question its not a description of spirit that i had thought about, and now i will forget about it.

Best wishes
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What is spirit, exactly?
by Viviane in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
i've always wondered that.

recently i asked that question on another thread and didn't really get ananswer.

cofty made an excellent point that we often hear what it isn't, but that really isn't useful.. so, what is it?
galaxie

Any opinions on "spirit;...force giving life to a body" as per dictionary.

I don't see it as supernatural.
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What is spirit, exactly?
by Viviane in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
i've always wondered that.

recently i asked that question on another thread and didn't really get ananswer.

cofty made an excellent point that we often hear what it isn't, but that really isn't useful.. so, what is it?
galaxie

Force of life only in physical terms of pressure exerted by filling with oxygen nothing medieval or supernatural intended. I am willing to concede its a rather loose term brought about by the dictionary description.
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What is spirit, exactly?
by Viviane in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
i've always wondered that.

recently i asked that question on another thread and didn't really get ananswer.

cofty made an excellent point that we often hear what it isn't, but that really isn't useful.. so, what is it?
galaxie

Not exactly viv,..Breathing is only facilitated by force of life oxygen no force no breathing.

it is all physical spirit oxygen force of life
609
What is spirit, exactly?
by Viviane in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
i've always wondered that.

recently i asked that question on another thread and didn't really get ananswer.

cofty made an excellent point that we often hear what it isn't, but that really isn't useful.. so, what is it?
galaxie

Not exactly viv,..Breathing is only facilitated by force of life oxygen no force no breathing.

it is all physical spirit oxygen force of life
609
What is spirit, exactly?
by Viviane in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
i've always wondered that.

recently i asked that question on another thread and didn't really get ananswer.

cofty made an excellent point that we often hear what it isn't, but that really isn't useful.. so, what is it?
galaxie

If the baby is born but fails to breath it dies no chance to breath the spirit or force of life

Ifit's lungs are underdeveloped they can't handle spirit or force of life effectively assistance would therefore be required for the baby to benefit from the force of life spirit oxygen to allow it a chance of survival.

WhatI meant by independent is independent of the mother who provided its oxygen in the womb.

As for the dictionary definition I suppose we would have to know what the composer of the description meant.

I prefer to see it as a physical force as opposed to supernatural.
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What is spirit, exactly?
by Viviane in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
i've always wondered that.

recently i asked that question on another thread and didn't really get ananswer.

cofty made an excellent point that we often hear what it isn't, but that really isn't useful.. so, what is it?
galaxie

Hi viv...I would say if a baby dies in the womb it has not benefited from the physical force of life it needs fir independent existence(from the mother) therefore no physical spirit in its lungs and no chance of developing the traits which would give rise to the content of your reply to my question thanks.

May I pose another...the first description of the word spirit in my Collins dictionary is FORCE of life would you

have an opinion on what it is referring to as force or if you think there is such a force related to spirit?2
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What is spirit, exactly?
by Viviane in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
i've always wondered that.

recently i asked that question on another thread and didn't really get ananswer.

cofty made an excellent point that we often hear what it isn't, but that really isn't useful.. so, what is it?
galaxie

Sorry Viv I must have meant to ask but obviously didn't.

It was just to ask if you had an opinion on what can be called human spirit if you think there is such a thing and if so what you would describe it as?

Of course the baby has developed because of all the things you mention but baby will have no further existence unless it takes a breath.That is key to its future life and development of its descriptive spirit as I have outlined previously.