'Sight' may also be equated to having an understanding as in ' don't you see '. Those who don't wish to understand or seek education may fall back on the lazy excuse of blind faith ...very foolish!.
galaxie
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One short New Testament verse sums up the problem with faith.
by nicolaou in"for we are walking by faith, not by sight" 2 corinthians 5:7. that's it right there.
don't value the evidence of your own eyes or trust what you can measure and test; no, just have faith.. the frustration is that even when this is pointed out to the devout believer they still don't see the problem.
they still see faith as a virtue and something superior to 'sight'..
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"In the beginning, God created the Heavens and the Earth . ."
by nicolaou inso where did god exist before he created the heavens?
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galaxie
As we are all the result of a physical state which existed as a result of forces which may be beyond the limits of human comprehension as per the make up of our brain, we have to work with the evidence which presents itself either by scientific study or natural occurrences. Where god exists or did exist or will exist is a deviation , sometimes deliberately so to detract from reality in our knowledgeable and enlightened times. -
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Apostasy Trial - Part 2 - Satan is Using Google
by berrygerry inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=373zbncuuoq
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galaxie
Thankfully there are many elders who have ' seen through ' this watchtower sham and excuse as gods representatives . Most of these so called elders are cherry picked puppets who cant see past their own egos and will hold onto their position whilst inwardly realise they are part of a falsehood, otherwise their delusion is really a sickness. -
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What is BELIEF ?
by EdenOne instemming from the 'absentheism' thread, an old question came to my mind.
what exactly is "belief"?.
is it the same to ask: "do you believe in god?
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galaxie
There are mountains, trees and people...they exist I need no belief that this is so.
There are no unicorns, fairies or supernatural gods...I need no belief that this is so.. they quite simply don't exist now or ever.
The idea formed in the human brain that unicorns,fairies or supernatural gods exist is a belief held by individuals for reasons best known to themselves.
If someone tried to convince you of the reality of the existence of unicorns,fairies or supernatural gods...which would you dismiss as fantasy?
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Are Jehovah's Witnesses Happy?
by minimus ini know of the local congregation's issues, per an elder i know quite well.
he has said that nearly everyone in the congregation is suffering emotionally and mentally.
he said he has never seen so many witnesses with so many problems.
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galaxie
I think it's a pretence of happiness ie a delusion or veneer of happiness,meanwhile a cauldron of turmoil lurks beneath that...yes THAT smile. In my personal experience most friends I had who. are now or were JWs were not happy, this evident by subsequent events which became apparent.
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I'm an ABSENTHEIST. Are you also?
by EdenOne init just dawned on me.
the existence of god can't be proved, neither is there evidence of god's inexistence.
so, i'm neither theist neither atheist.
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galaxie
Hi eden I'm sure you must realise that the scenario you have set up about scanning the whole universe before we can conclude about the evidence or lack of for god could be applied to a million and one crazy notions conjured by mans mind for whatever reason they chose to proffer. Pardon the pun...but god help us!! -
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I'm an ABSENTHEIST. Are you also?
by EdenOne init just dawned on me.
the existence of god can't be proved, neither is there evidence of god's inexistence.
so, i'm neither theist neither atheist.
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galaxie
Hi eden , surely if there is no evidence either now or ever of a theistic god existing in reality, as opposed to the one as conjured in the brain then lack of presence is non applicable. Another way to convey lack of presence would simply be' there is no evidence of said being ever to have existed'.
Best wishes.
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I'm an ABSENTHEIST. Are you also?
by EdenOne init just dawned on me.
the existence of god can't be proved, neither is there evidence of god's inexistence.
so, i'm neither theist neither atheist.
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galaxie
The word absence when referring to the theistic god surely must be married with ' as exists in the mind ' this then would distinguish the notion of an actual being existing to that of the existance of the belief in god which is derived from the brain.
Although the definition of the word absence may include ' non existance ' it could and imo mean not existing in the given scenario but either has or does exist in reality outwith the subject of discussion. I feel that the use of the word absence in referring to god ie ' god is absent ' is counter productive and leans toward belief that indeed god exists. Therefore if you truly feel god does not exist through lack of evidence or otherwise I feel the use of absent in that context is misused.
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I'm an ABSENTHEIST. Are you also?
by EdenOne init just dawned on me.
the existence of god can't be proved, neither is there evidence of god's inexistence.
so, i'm neither theist neither atheist.
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galaxie
For me the real issue is not whether theistic or deist gods exist or that they may possess supernatural influence...it's whether the person who holds such a belief if challenged can justify their position given that their belief stems from within themselves, begging the question..why the need?
The claims of theists or deists re the workings of their gods,influence and requirement of obeisance or you will suffer by punishment of death or that your crops will fail are imo reasons to confront and demand evidence for such given that many people past and present have been killed,punished,ostracized made to feel unworthy because they are seen to have failed to meet whatever the human brain conceived gods standard is.
The absence of such a god ( as in non existant in a particular scenario) is really irrelevant. To call oneself an absentheist is as relevant as saying..im an absentoxygenist because oxygen is absent in an experiment with certain gases. The oxygen may not be present in the experiment but proof can be provided that it does exist outwith,whereas to say god is absent but still not be able to provide proof that said being exists outwith the subject which prompts the condition of its absence is surely a misuse of the word and is irrelevant in a discussion of the existence of god or gods (outwith mans perceptions of themselves as gods or physical forms of gods or idols )which are supernatural and of which there is zero proof
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I'm an ABSENTHEIST. Are you also?
by EdenOne init just dawned on me.
the existence of god can't be proved, neither is there evidence of god's inexistence.
so, i'm neither theist neither atheist.
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galaxie
Wouldn't an 'absentheist ' by your reasoning ,be someone who believes that the god of creation..is absent , therefore must have at one time been ' present '.
Reminds me of the ' god is dead ' claims of a few decades ago ie god once existed . It seems to me that people who once believed in god who have come to realise through critical thinking now doubt god exists still have a fear of absolutely concluding that the theistic god is a man made concept, and come up with the type of op which you have presented. It really is circular and says nothing of substance. The fact that you resort to trying to give the example of a sun god which does not relate to being an absentheist as you see it , bears this out imo.