Ezekiel's Mystery "Chieftain"/Leader ...

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  Ezekiel's Mystery "Chieftain"/Leader, A Sinner???

  We read at Ezekiel 44:1-3 the following mysterious information about a FUTURE Temple of God's making and blessing,

  "And he proceeded to bring me back by way of the gate of the Sanctuary, the outer one facing east, and it was shut. Then Jehovah said to me: "As regards this gate, shut is how it will continue. It will not be opened, and no mere man will come in by it; for Jehovah himself, the God of Israel, has come in by it, and it must continue shut. However, the chieftain -- as chieftain he himself will sit in it [the east gate], in order to eat bread before Jehovah. By way of the porch of the gate he will come in, and by way of it he will go out." -- Ezekiel 44:1-3

  "And on that day, in his own behalf and in behalf of all the people of the land, the chieftain must provide a young bull as a sin offering." -- Ezekiel 45:22

  Who is this mystery "Chieftain." Is it Jesus Christ? Or is it someone else. He is said to make a "sin" offering for himself as well as for the people of the nation? Who could this be? Can we find the answers to these questions in the Bible?

  Interestingly, the Expositors Bible Commentary Volume 6 (released in 1986) page 974 makes this open, honest, and straightforward comment on the "chieftain's" true identity. It says,

  "Only the prince was permitted to enter this gate. He must enter and leave by way of the portico from the outer court only. His only function within that gate was to eat bread in the presence of the LORD, but exactly which meal or for what purpose is not stated.

  "The identity of this prince has been a puzzle to many. The meaning of the Hebrew word nasi has in itself contributed to the problem. The English word prince connotes royalty. However, the word nasi would best be translated "leader" (cf. E.A. Speiser, "Background and Function of the Biblical Nasi," CBQ 25 [1963]: 111-17). This leader was not the Messiah, because the leader is made a sin offering for himself (cf. 45:22). If the leader" were Jesus Christ, then he, the Messiah, would need cleansing from sin. Such was not possible (cf. Heb 4:15). In addition, this leader had natural children (46:16), another impossibility for the Messiah. THE LEADER WAS A MAN. Some have identified him with David, citing Eze. 34:23-24 and Eze. 37:24 as support. However, these passages have been shown above to apply to the Messiah, not David.

  "The identity of the leader is unknown. He functions as the people's leader in their millennial worship, almost like a high priest, but not having the same role and function." -- Expositors Bible Commentary Volume 6, page 974

  Answer:

  A) "Messenger of Covenant" (Malachi 3:1) = "Elijah To Come"

  Also,

  B) "Elijah To Come" (Malachi 4:5, 6; Matthew 17:10, 11) = "Prophet Like Moses"

  Also,

  C) The "Prophet Like Moses" (Acts 3:22, 23) = "Spirit of Truth"

  Also,

  D) The "Spirit of Truth" (John 16:13, 14) = "That which is Complete to Arrive"

  Also,

  E) "That which is Complete To Arrive" (1 Corinthians 13:10) = Isaiah's Servant With A Covenant

  Also,

  F) Isaiah's "Servant With A Covenant" (Isaiah 42:6; 49:8) = Ezekiel's Mystery "Chieftain"

  G) Thus, Ezekiel's Mystery "Chieftain" (Ezekiel 34:23, 24; 37:24, 25; 44:3) then, = A Sinner, A Mortal Man, Chosen To Lead Israel out of "Slavery" and into A Covenant of "Peace" with God (Ezekiel 34:25-30)

  Therefore,

  A, B, C, D, E, F and G ALL = A Sinner, An Earthling Man That God Sends To Deliver "Israel." -- Romans 11:26, 27

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  Francois

  I admit it. It's me.

  I have broken bread before Jehovah. More than once.

  And I've also broken a few steaks. And a whole buncha shrimp. Broke 'em all.

  What do I win?

  ft

  NOTE TO GOVERNING BODY: You've been challenged to a debate, boys. Dont you have ANY balls?
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  (Mystery "Chieftain" Continued)

  Today, it behooves us all to show ourselves studious individuals of God's Word. Lest we miss very important "details" of scripture and prophecy that could provide "missing links" of info pertainent to our receiving a fuller understanding of God's Grand Purposes for us all, as revealed in Holy Scripture. And it is equally as important to be genuinely interested in re-discovering and discussing the "deep things of God", matters of "serious concern," to all ardent students of Holy Scripture. -- 1 Cor. 2:10; Phil. 4:8

  The topic of the Mystery "Chieftain" is one such subject.

  As most JWs know, not much "research" has been done on the above subject by WTS. It seems, (as with many other difficult topics) the WTS has basically avoided this subject, with only casual mention of it here and there in their literature. A few printed comments mentions the "Chieftain" representing the "Princes" over the earth, during the 1,000 year reign of peace, taken from Isa. 32nd chapter and Psalms 45th. -- See "The Nations Shall Know that I Am Jehovah - How?" pages 401-405; Watchtower 2/15/80 page 24; 1973 Watchtower pages 426-428.

  However that is impossible. Why?

  Well, this is because the mystery "Chieftain," has "Sons," and "Servants," clearly with the approval of Jehovah God. Yes, "Sons," who receive an "inheritance" like himself and he has "servants" or slaves. This imperfect, sinful man, the "Chieftain" does possess such.

  Ezekiel 46:16, 17 says,

  "This is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah has said, In case the chieftain should give a gift to each one of his sons as his inheritance, it itself will become the property of his sons themselves. It is their possession by inheritance. And in case he should give a gift from his inheritance to one of his servants, it must also become his until the year of liberty; and it must return to the chieftain. On his inheritance -- as regards his sons -- is what should continue to belong to their own selves."

  Now after reading the above verses, we can't imagine the present-day "elders" among JWs of today, if ever permitted at all in the 1,000 year reign of Peace, to ever, ever, ever be permitted to have "Servants," [literally "Slaves" fnt NWT Lg Prt Ref Bibl] or even spiritual "Sons", during that wonderful time of peace and righteousness, can we? The WTS "elder body" of JWS, no, could never, ever rightfully hold such a position before Jehovah God during this such a wonderful period, the Millenlium of Peace. They have done nothing to merit this high respect of others of mankind. No they have not. So, how could they ever have what Jehovah calls, "slaves," attending to them. No, no "slaves" or "servants" could they have, in any sense of the word. No they cannot...they are clearly unworthy of such an honor.

  So obviously, the JWs "elders" cannot in any way picture this mystery "Chieftain" while in the 1,000 year reign of peace.

  Obviously, something unusual is going on here, since the mystery "Chieftain" is himself, clearly a "sinner" and indeed, does have "slaves" or "servants", all approved by Jehovah God.

  Ezekiel 45:22 clearly says of the mystery "Chieftain,

  "And on that day, in his own behalf and in behalf of all the people of the land, the chieftain must provide a young bull as a sin offering."

  There can be no doubt, he is infact, a "sinner," a sinful descendant of Adam. So then, what did this mystery "Chieftain" do to merit such rank and authority in the eyes of the whole camp of Israel, and more importantly, in the eyes of Jehovah God?

  He must have done something, quite significant.

  Another point of interest is this,

  Ezekiel 45:18-20 says of that future temple arrangement,

  "This is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah has said, In the first month on the first day of the month, you should take a young bull, a son of the herd, a sound one, and you must purify the sanctuary from sin. And the priest must take some of the blood of the sin offering and put in upon the doorpost of the House of upon the four corners of the surrounding ledge belonging to the altar and upon the doorpost of the gate of the inner courtyard. And that is how you will do on the seventh day in the month because of any making a mistake and because of any inexperienced one; and you people must make atonement for the House." -- Ezekiel 45:18-20

  As we remember, we are taught that in the 1,000-year reign of peace, everyone has been "freed" or "liberated" from the effects of Adamic Sin. And this is true. Therefore, in that period of time, there will be no more "making mistakes," and errors of the "inexperienced one." Every one will be perfect, free of sin.

  However, we notice in this temple..."mistakes" can still be made, errors of the "inexperienced" and imperfect, sinful man. And yet, Jehovah has made provision for the "covering" and "atonement" of such "mistakes." Why?

  Obviously, these individuals ARE STILL IMPERFECT, STILL SINNERS, while officiating at Jehovah's FUTURE Temple. Yes, in this "sinful" state, they serve in "priestly" capacity, carrying out duties of "Priests," in acceptable worship before God. Thus, a fully acceptable Priesthood of mankind in its "sinful" state on earth. A "Priesthood" that can make "mistakes." And yet, Jehovah is perfectly willing to "atone" for a situation, again, upon earth.

  Therefore, this FUTURE, earthly arrangement, complete with "sinful" Chieftain, Sinful Priestly (Zadok) Sons, sinful Servants, and "sinful" people in its entirety have been SANCTIONED and fully AUTHORIZED by Jehovah God, with His full blessings, to function and represent God Almighty, ALL BEFORE THE MILLENIUM STARTS.

  Amazing!

  Is this not "Good News" to all who are truly "Israel"? -- Isaiah 52:7; 61:1-5; Romans 10:15

  Yes it is!

  MAIN POINT: In other words, Ezekiel's vision of this future temple shows us, unequivocally, that true worship will truly be RE-ESTABLISHED upon earth, RESTORED UPON EARTH, by "sinners", men in a "sinful" state, all with Jehovah God's Eternal Blessings, BEFORE THE MILLENIUM STARTS, and before God REMOVES "sin" from mankind as a whole. -- Matt. 19:28; Acts 3:20, 21

  This is why Isaiah 4:5 says,

  "Jehovah will also certainly create over every established place of Mount Zion and over her convention place a cloud by day and a smoke, and the brightness of a flaming fire by night; because over all the glory there will be a shelter."

  Again, we cannot deny the fact, yes, that this is an earthly, theocratic religious arrangement, approved by Jehovah God. This is an Earthly Scene, isn't it?

  There can be no doubt that it is.

  The above mention of "the first month, on the first day" of that same month, is quite interesting and informative. No doubt it is.

  Ezekiel 45:18 mentions "the first day" of "the first month." The "first month" of the Sacred Calendar for Ancient Israel is the month known as NISAN.

  Jehovah mentions NISAN 1 as a special time to take note. Why?

  Yes, what should NISAN 1, remind all Israelites of, yes indeed, ALL JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES of... of what?

  Well, wasn't it the day, Jehovah God "brought down a cloud by day and pillar of fire by night" and cast it over the "Tent of Meeting," to show HIS ACCEPTANCE of that new "Tabernacle" arrangement. Also, to give His Eternal Guidance to the camp of Israel and Moses ... wasn't this the actual "day" that this all happened?

  Yes, that "day" was in fact NISAN 1, was it not?

  Now, if we compare Exodus 40:2 with Numbers 9:15, 16 we will see, NISAN 1 is a very special day to Jehovah God...thus we see the value of its mention in Ezekiel 45:18

  The "Date" is mentioned for a reason, an important reason. We remember,

  NISAN 1 is that special day, when Jehovah ACCEPTS and INAUGURATES PURE WORSHIP for "sinful" Israel. Jehovah accepts the "Tabernacle", the Temple arrangement of Israel on NISAN 1... a special day of celebration, just as the Jews celebrate this date even down to our modern times ... NISAN 1.
  
  So we have the all-important "connection", given to us by God Almighty, Jehovah. It signals the RE-ESTABISHMENT of Pure Worship in the sight of Jehovah God. It represents His full acceptance of worship from "sinners," descendants of Adam, BEFORE, yes BEFORE the Millenium starts. And this form of pure and acceptable worship will be well received by Jehovah God? Why?

  Because of the efforts and activities of the Mystery "Chieftain," that is UNEXPLAINABLY allowed to "eat bread" in the very "Presence" of God Almighty Himself. The one who is like the "sinner" Moses, who we remember was told,

  "...Go up to Jehovah, you and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu and seventy of the older men of Israel, and you must bow down from a distance. And Moses by himself must approach Jehovah; but they should not approach, and the people should not go up with him." -- Numbers 24:1, 2

  Only Moses, the "sinner" should approach Jehovah ... Only Moses, the "sinner" that God had chosen. Only Moses.

  And, only the mystery "Chieftain," a "sinner", can approach, can do this,... "eat bread in the presence of Jehovah" in the East Gate. -- Ezekiel 44:1-3

  So, there is much we can learn from a close examination of the book of Ezekiel about the re-establishment of pure and acceptable worship of Jehovah God, as we as Jehovah's Witnesses by necessity, "make our escape."

  Surely we today, as modern-day "Israel," and Israel of old have much to be thankful for. Jehovah has remembered us. Jehovah has provided for us. But, we must be obedient...to make our "escape," the same as Ancient Israel of old. For example, just as Israel of old we remember NISAN 14, and the celebration of the Passover, which means "escape" from OPPRESSIVE EGYPT. We too should be thinking the same, of our impending "escape" from modern-day OPPRESSIVE "Egypt" of our day, the Watchtower Society. -- See Revelation 11:8

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  (Mystery Chieftain Continued)

  Simply put, the mystery "Chieftain" of Ezekiel 44:1-3 is a central part of God's purposes to bring "Jacob (Israel) back to him," in a "At-One" state. (Isa. 49:5) His role and stage of importance, is second only to that of Jesus Christ himself, the "Amen" of God, to the outworkings of God's Purposes to redeem mankind and restore pure worship on earth. His role and ministry toward "Israel" brings actual "glory" to Jesus, and does not detract in any way, from Jehovah's point of view, in that he is a disciple and follower of Jesus Christ himself. -- See John 16:14.

  The mysterious "Chieftain" is a "christian" or as Paul said, "a man in union with Christ" who had the unthinkable privilege of hearing from God, "unutterable sayings," which are considered by man, "unlawful" to speak. These "words" are perceived by man, as "unlawful" words for any man to speak because they are thought to be blasphemous...words against Jesus Christ.

  And on this basis, he is "judged", no one among "Israel" wants to hear his message. Thus, his seemingly unrepeatable "words" are viewed as "blasphemy" by ignoramus "Israel," much as we remember Jesus' words were clearly interpreted as such by the religious leaders of his time. -- See John 10:36; 2 Cor. 12:2-4.

  Though, largely misunderstood by "Israel," still, the "mystery Chieftain," still proves to be the "key", the "keyman" of Zech. 10:4 to the nation of "Israel." The "Key" component to coming to understand in the fullest sense, the Bible and God's purposes for mankind in our day. He is the "completion [or "finishing"] of the mystery of God" spoken thru the prophets of old. -- 1 Corinthians 13:9, 10; Revelation 10:7

  In short, he (mystery "Chieftain") spearheads the "restoration" [or Greek: Palingenesis] of "Israel" while Jesus and the apostles are in heaven, "judging the twelve tribes of Israel." -- See Matthew 19:28 (See lg Prt NWT REF Bib.)

  The mystery "Chieftain's" role toward "Israel," brings completion to the foretold promises of the "prophets" of old, making the promises of God come true upon "Israel" in its most complete sense in our day and time, just as the book of Revelation appropriately calls Jehovah, "the God of the inspired expressions of the prophets." -- Revelation 22:6

  In fact, the "Chieftain's" coming and his purpose is to reveal such, to explain to "Israel" exclusively, the meaning of the "sacred secrets of the Kingdom", "IN DETAIL", even though most will not "understand" nor respond. So, the real "Mystery of God" itself, or the "good news", the message of the "prophets" again, remains a "mystery" to the people who first heard it...the "thing heard," being the "Report" ... the "thing" to put faith in ... or be "judged...in the last day" for non-response to it. -- Rev. 10:7; 22:6; Acts 13:40, 41; John 12:38 [see fnt lg NWT "our Report"]; John 12:48; Romans 10:14-17

  Therefore, when one of "Israel", one Israelite truly comes to understand him, that is, the mystery "Chieftain" and his God-Ordained purposes and role toward "Israel," and understands that this "sinner" has indeed "come from Almighty God" to assist and "help" Israel, -- then at this point, this "Israelite" can now be said to have discovered and discerned the answers to the great "mysteries of God," the "Sacred Secrets of the Kingdom" that Jesus spoke of. The many "parables" that Jesus spoke of, that remains a mystery, even down to this day and time. To be sure, it is this primary and pivotal use of this unidentified "sinner" and descendant of Adam by God Almighty, that completes or "finishes" the "mystery of God" to all mankind. His role is that important. -- See Genesis 49: 24, 25; Ezekiel 45:22; Revelation 10:7; 22:6

  Many prophets spoke of him and of his "coming"... Hebrew and Greek Scriptures...by various names, but Ezekiel calls him the "Chieftain."

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  THE IRREFUTABLE INDENTIFICATION MARK OF A "PROPHET"

  Some have wondered,

  ...spiritual insight of the scriptures is great...but it is not so rare so as to be an identifier, a mark of distinction which provides irrefutable proof of God's direct hand on someone, it alone does not a prophet prove...

  ...but PREDICTIONS OF THE FUTURE are "irrefutable proof" of a "prophet in our midst." -- Ezekiel 2:5

  Jesus, the greatest prophet who ever lived upon earth, past, present or future, said,

  "From this moment on I am telling you BEFORE IT OCCURS, in order that WHEN IT DOES OCCUR you may believe that I am he." -- John 13:19

  If someone can predict the future...there can be no question...this one IS FROM GOD, and is unquestionably...a "prophet." A "prophet" who perhaps at first, "has been in our midst," but was not at first recognized. -- Ezekiel 2:5

  And this is what happened to Ancient Israel during the days of the "holy prophets of old time," and precisely what has happened for the spiritual nation of "Israel" of our day ... JWs as a nation. -- Acts 3:21

  Jesus pointedly said:

  "However, when that one arrives, the spirit of the truth, he will DECLARE TO YOU THINGS COMING." -- John 16:13

  Christians are to be informed, at some point in our times, about "the things coming," ... the future.

  ...the "spirit of truth" will accomplish this work for God...it,yes, "he," ... "proceeds from the Father." -- John 15:26

  Today, the disciples of Christ, DO NOT know the future...at present. No one on this Discussion Board has come forth, and pointedly said, he "knew the future." He could PREDICT the future. No one on this Discussion Board. No one.

  And it has been that way for many, many years now...around the world, earthwide.

  No one, so far, has been able to successfully do this. No one, has been able to do it, ... repeatedly, over and over again, giving us the "time-frame" for certain important occurrences of bible prophecy, make the predictions, and have them all come true, with pin-point accuracy...as Jesus did during his day.

  However, that is shortly going to change...for all disciples of Christ upon earth...for all people living upon the entire planet...this is shortly to change.

  ...we are fast approaching the day when the first mentioned above statement and viewpoint cannot be held true, any longer. The "details" must be provided...even though they will not be believed, when at first given to "Israel," ...still it will come true. -- Acts 13:40, 41

  In my writings, under the name of "MDS", I personally have responded to questions raised by various persons frequenting JW Discussion boards over the years. I've been asked me a number of questions, about dates, when the "1,260 days" of prophesying of the "Two Witnesses" would begin. I have obliged such individuals by providing inquiring individuals with the actual the beginnings, time-frames and lengths of

  (a) The "Measuring" Period of Revelation 11:1, which precedes
  (b) The "1260 days" of prophesying of the Two Witnesses, and
  (c) The "Trampling" period of "42 months" upon "Jerusalem," and
  (d) The "3 1/2 days" of shame and disgrace for the "Two Witnesses"

  each running approximately 3 1/2 years for each period, starting with Spring of the year of 1996 which begins the "Measuring" period of Revelation 11:1...the Fall of 1999 for beginning of "1260 days" of "prophesying" of Two Witnesses...next period, the Spring of the year of 2003 starts the "trampling of Jerusalem", and finally, Fall of 2006 for the beginning of the "3 1/2 days" of death and shame of the "Two Witnesses," inflicted by the "Small Horn" of Daniel 8:23.

  I have provided the "details"...as Acts 13:40, 41 shows.

  ...Further, I also pointed forward to the date of October 7, 2001 which marks 70 years of "Declaring the Name" of God (Psalms 105:1-3) for modern-day "Israel," after which Jehovah God carries out whats outlined in,

  Isaiah 19:2-4 where He, Himself, would bring about "break" in the brotherhood and harmony of God's Name People, JWs as a nation. It is Jehovah God, who is to bring total "chaos" ...a "break in the brotherhood," spoken of in Zechariah 11:14 among JWs as a nation.

  In Isaiah 19:2-4, it is Jehovah God that says, His Name People, have become..."Egyptians", in His sight. Jehovah is the One, that will set or "goad"..."Egyptian against Egyptian", in the kingdom halls of JWs worldwide...after the date of October 7, 2001. Yes, the "love of the greater number," will indeed, "cool off." -- Matthew 24:12

  The JWs as a spiritual nation are, spiritually speaking to God, foreigners to Him, spiritual "Egyptians" to God. And thus, they will be treated as such, as one "who do not bear the Name of God," as Isaiah 63:18, 19 shows.

  Isaiah 19:2-4 also speaks of the "hard master," the King of the North, the "small horn", and his coming to the "land of decoration" of Daniel 11:40, 41. His rise to power is mentioned for us at,

  Daniel 8:23 shows his "intrigue," the "master of intrigue," according to the NIV. It tells us about his move or ascension to power, TIMEWISE exactly as the spiritual "rebels", goes off and "works toward a completion," ... all at the same time...occurring around the same time, October of 2001.

  So, before all of this happens, in conjuction with all of these horrific events and happenings, Jehovah God, sends us help.

  THE "RETURN OF CHRIST" AND WHY "ELIJAH COMES FIRST"

  The Bible reveals, Jehovah "Sends" the Messianic Manifestation of the "Holy Spirit," ... the personification of the "Holy Spirit," in the person of the Mystery "Chieftain," that the "world does not behold, nor knows" nothing of "its" coming, so..."does not receive" the "spirit of the truth," ... this special "manifestation of truth." The "world," knows nothing about his coming. -- John 14:17

  The "world" knows nothing of, the one spoken of in Ezekiel 44:1-3...the "mystery" Chieftain.

  Thus far on this Discussion Board, no one has come forward and presented any "evidence" to the contrary, any differing viewpoint, on this most intriguing subject...that is the "Mystery Chieftain," ... who is he?

  Yes...Who is he?

  ...we do not have a answer, do we?

  If not, then,

  Please carefully consider John 14:16, 17 and 26.

  What do we read there?

  Didn't Jesus promised us that he would send his disciples, "ANOTHER HELPER?"

  Didn't Jesus say he would "send him in his Name," ... send him in the "name of Jesus?"

  Didn't Jesus say, "he," the spirit of truth, would "teach us ALL THINGS," and would "be with" us, the disciples of Christ, "forever" ... He would be with the disciples of Christ, FOREVER...isn't that what it said?

  How do we explain that?

  Also, didn't Jesus say the "world" would refuse to "receive him," because they do not "know him?" -- John 14:17

  Why does not the "world," ... "know him?"

  How do we explain that?

  Jesus again said,

  ...this one, would "bring back to your minds all the teachings" of Jesus? -- John 14:26

  How is this accomplished...how does "he" do this?

  Is it because, he would explain the parables and other teachings of Jesus...something no one has explained before...is that possible?

  "...he would declare ALL THINGS to us openly." -- John 4:25

  Just as we would expect of a "Messiah." -- John 13:19

  In this way, Jesus "came with the blood and the water," ... and later, Jesus would send the "spirit," or "the truth", in his name. The "spirit of truth," would ALSO give "testimony," would also give "witness," too...and these THREE, the "water," & the "blood," [which both was "brought by Jesus" or "came with Jesus"] and the "spirit," [which was sent by Jesus, "in the name of Jesus" as a "christian" follower] would be in total "agreement," .. "TOTAL AGREEMENT," total harmony, in giving their combined "witness." The three great "WITNESS-BEARERS", ... the "water," the "blood," and the "spirit," 2 brought by Jesus, and 1 "sent" by Jesus. -- 1 John 5:6-8; John 15:26

  We must remember, still, Jesus is still the primary figure here, in this all-important prophetic drama. That's why it has Jehovah's complete backing. Thus, the "spirit of truth," is actually "from the Father"...yes, "he proceeds from the Father." -- John 15:26

  ...because he is a "man in christ,"... a "christian." The "man in christ" who was "transferred to the third heaven," ... "paradise," and "heard words that are not permissible to speak" to other humans..."unlawful words," sacred secrets...which will remain such...until it is time for God to have them "revealed" to "Israel." Yes, and that time has now arrived! -- 2 Corinthians 12:2-5

  The Bible specifically says about JESUS' RETURN...

  "...and that he may send forth the Christ appointed for you, Jesus WHOM HEAVEN, INDEED, MUST HOLD WITHIN ITSELF UNTIL THE TIMES OF RESTORATION OF ALL THINGS of which God spoke through the mouth of his holy prophets of old time." -- Acts 3:20, 21

  Why does the Bible clearly say,

  "...Jesus, whom heaven indeed must HOLD WITHIN ITSELF UNTIL the times of restoration...heaven must hold within itself..."... why?

  ...why?

  Why is "Jesus" to be "held within heaven itself," ... until...until...until... "the times of restoration OF ALL THINGS!

  Why?

  This is because, Jesus is a "judge", with the "twelve apostles", in heaven, during the Great Spiritual "RESTORATION OF ALL THINGS" upon earth.

  Matthew 19:28 shows this. It shows, Jesus is in heaven, "judging the twelve tribes of Israel," during the "re-generation," ... during the Great "PALINGENSIS," the "REBIRTH" of "Israel,"....Jesus is in heaven during this time with his twelve apostles, sitting upon thrones...judging ...during "Israel's" spiritual "rebirth."

  Thus, by necessity, then, "Elijah" must come "first."

  This is why, the scriptures, yes, Jesus said,

  "...Elijah MUST COME FIRST..." -- Matthew 17:10, 11

  Jesus said, "Elijah," would come "first," "first," "first," and "RESTORE ALL THINGS."

  Jesus knew all about this...this "first", preceding "coming" of "Elijah," the one who would spiritually-speaking, "RESTORE ALL THINGS" for spiritual "Israel." -- Matthew 17:10, 11

  Jesus himself said he would come..."First"..."First," ..."First," before the "RESTORATION OF ALL THINGS," in fact would be the chief one who "would restores all things," this "Elijah," I speak of.

  The prophet "Malachi" speaks of "Elijah,"...his "coming before," ...before what great occurrence?

  "Elijah must come first before...the great and fear-inspiring day of Jehovah God," so says, Malachi 4:5

  So, ... when we speak of the "return of Christ,"...but how much do we really know about the "return of Jesus,"...

  ...how much do you know about it...?

  ...I ask...

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  YAWN

  When will you ever give up FALSE PROPHET.

  If anyone is marvelling at Don's words and stuff, just remember Christ's warning at Matthew 24:11, 23-25
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  PUBLISHED "OBSERVATIONS" MADE IN 1994 OF WTS/UNITED NATIONS FUTURE RELATIONSHIP

  Comments by the Mystery "Chieftain" Based upon Article take from 1991 September 8th Awake! Magazine

  To be sure, my personal, written "observations" concerning the WTS' present-day and future relationship with the United Nations Organization, after perusing the September 8th, 1991 Awake! magazine -- whether acknoweldged by individuals on this board or not, are still well documented...by the website (with more than 10,000 visitors before I closed it down) and the actual release of the book, "The Report" Volume I (1994), which ended up in bookstores up and down the east coast of the U.S, as well many parts of the earth, some remote places even.

  There is no question, I have to be the only human being walking this planet that made such outlandish "observations" & "predictions" suggested by the peculiar posturings of the September 8, 1991 Awake! magazine.

  Again, the only human being, a proven fact, that can say that he had the "guts", the "confidence" to boldly, brazenly, yes fearlessly "go out on the limb", and further say the WTS would do exactly as the printed publication suggested, namely the WTS/GB would CONTINUE TO WRITE the same kind of "writings" on the United Nations Organization. That's "continue to write" such like articles...in the years following the article's release of September 8th, 1991.

  And as time would have it, this in the end proved to be a fact.

  But, no one has even acknowledged that proven fact. What a shame...a pity...

  I wonder why...

  It is a proven fact, the WTS did indeed, keep on writing these kinds of articles about the United Nations Organization, well after 1994, much after I made the published statement...(some of my close associates know I actually made the statement, in written form, actually December 1991...some have this in writing.)

  But hardly anyone noticed...

  I however, did appreciate, at least someone, one "voice" mentioning that fact earlier, on this very thread.

  In addition, in the publication, "The Report" Volume I, I also foretold exactly where this was all leading the spiritual "nation" of Jehovah's Witnesses, some 6 million strong, to...Daniel 11:32 and a unfriendly visit from the King of the North, via Daniel 11:40, 41...the scripture the GB/WTS continues to avoid explaining.

  Added to that, in the publication called "The Report" Volume I, I clearly pointed out, this to be the "workings," the "trappings" of the "Man of Lawlessness" at work, taken from 2 Thess 2:3-12, leading all Jehovah's Witnesses to the brink of total disaster and utter, eternal destruction.

  Is it prophetic...well...we must wait and see...

  But if I were in some of your shoes, and someone, to my knowledge the ONLY PERSON on earth I know of, said all of the above, printed a book, put in bookstores, at least, its proveable some 7 years in advance (maybe 10), and said all of the above...I think I'd be listening. Particularly that part about, they would "continue to write such articles."

  How would any human, back some 7 to 10 years ago, ... how would any human KNOW THAT!!!

  ...they would "continue to write such articles"...

  How could a mere man, on earth...know that, I ask?

  Nevertheless, in the end we'll have to agree, whether we "believe" now or later, whether we voluntarily "refrain" at present or not, the scripture says, we will in the end, know whether "...a prophet has been in our midst" or not. We will know. -- Ezekiel 2:5

  And we will also know this fact, that Jehovah is still God...the "God of the inspired expressions of the prophets." -- Revelation 22:6

  Therefore, we have to know, Divine "judgment" is coming upon those who profane that Great Name. Those who carry that Divine Name. Those who have "declared" that Great Name. Ever since, October 1931...for the past 70 Years.

  Why?

  Its been 70 years of carrying that Name for "Israel" [JWs]...that's why...70 years of "discipline" have passed.

  The very ones, the spiritual "nation" that printed a special publication and distributed it to the world back in October 1931, embracing the Divine Name, and worse, "Declaring the Name" to the nations...back in October 1931. Exactly 70 years ago. -- See Jehovah's Witnesses In The Divine Purpose page 126; 2 Chron. 7:14; Daniel 9:19; Psalms 105:1-3

  To be sure, I'm made some big, whopping claims on this board, many, many, many times...

  THE CLAIMS MADE BY THE WRITER OF "THE REPORT"

  1) ...something about being a "scapegoat"...I believe. An "atoned for" goat that is, by the blood of Jesus and the act of "justification" on God's part...is how it happens. Thus, "declared guiltless" or "sinless" in God's Holy sight, by Jesus' blood and now used in a "sacrificial" capacity for "Israel"... (Lev. 14:48-53; Lev. 16:10; Romans 5:16, 18; Matt. 12:5; Acts 13:38, 39)

  2) ...something about JWs as a nation, "BREAKING A COVENANT", and desperately needing to be "ATONED FOR" as a spiritual nation, ...about needing "ANOTHER" Covenant with God. -- Ezekiel 16:59-63; 44:7; Isaiah 42:6; 49:8

  3) ...something about being a peculiar "manifestation of holy spirit," which "gives CONVINCING EVIDENCE to the world [spiritual nation, see Greek word: "Kosmos"/"world"/"orderly arrangement" Strong's Exhaustive Concordance]," for 7 Years...while on a "messianic" role but not "received by world." Yet, will be here on earth in "messianic-leader" capacity..."FOREVER." -- John 14:16, 17, 26; 16:8

  4) ...something about "guiding into ALL TRUTH" and "declaring the future" to them (Israel/JWs) as a "sign" ... if they are willing...-- John 16:23

  5) ...something about being a mystery "chieftain" in a future temple spoken of in Ezekiel 44:1-3, a "sinner", a descendant from Adam, while used in this special capacity...has spiritual "children." -- Ezekiel 45:22; 46;16

  6) ...something about being a certain "Servant" spoken of mentioned in Isaiah 49:1-6...that was somewhat reluctant in accepting this assignment, totally different from the attitude expressed by Jesus Christ, who always delighted in doing his Father's will. -- Compare Isaiah 49:4 with Hebrews 10:7. You will see different original "attitudes" about the assignment.

  7) ...and something about my "7-Year", much unheeded "ministry" coming to a distinct close, "late fall of 2001."

  These and many more other "ridiculous" claims have been made by myself, publicly on this forum...

  ...ask around and see...

  ...I'm sure someone can provide the "threads" if anyone really wants to know..."desires to do God's Will...he will know..." -- John 7:17

  ..and oh yes, I still distribute the book.

  To any others that may be interested, I can be contacted at:

  [email protected]

  MDS

  PS: For reasons beyond my control, let all JWs, ex-JWs and even unbaptized "Bible Studies", or generally speaking, "Persons of Interest," "Return Visits", etc., etc. be notified that I will be completely "out of touch" and can not be reached nor contacted after Late Fall of 2001. That is, after late fall of 2001...the "festival of Dedication" as celebrated by the orthodox Jewish Faith. And then, 1 year and a few months will pass from that date, approximately around Nisan 1 of the year of 2003, ... I will "surface" again, with a "Special Arrangement" to answer questions from many of you about what has transpired over the last 7 Years or so. This will approximate, time-wise, the beginning of Daniel's last "week" of his "70-week" prophecy. (Daniel 9:24-27) At that time, a New "Special Arrangement" for answering "questions" and handling "inquiries" will be setup, based strictly upon the contents and instructions of Isaiah 11:10; 16:1-5; 21:11, 12.
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  MDS

  "THE MAN IN UNION WITH CHRIST" ... "WHO HEARD UNUTTERABLE, UNLAWFUL WORDS" -- 2 Corinthians 12:2-4

  No...I DO NOT claim to be "Jesus Christ."

  I claim to be an "anointed" follower of Jesus Christ, a Christian..."the man in union with Christ" who heard "unutterable words," ... "unlawful words" ... non-permissible words "for a man to speak." Unthinkable "words" about another "Covenant" from God...for "Israel."

  "Words" that are perceived as "unutterable," or "unlawful for a man to speak" since they show spiritual "Israel" of our day, JWs as a people, have completely lost its spiritual standing with God. The unthinkable, has happened, again...the way it happened under the leadership of the Pharisees...yes, it has happened again..."Israel" now needs "atonement" for sins committed...again. "Unlawful words" that are taken or perceived as "blasphemous" in our time. Some even say scripturally-speaking "unlawful" words that are clearly against God, since I speak of another "Covenant" and another sacrifice needed to redeem "Israel." They say what I speak of and teach, is not a scriptural doctrine at all. -- 2 Tim. 2:15; 3:16, 17

  I speak "Words" that are misconstrued...twisted, by the unlearned, "untaught" and "unsteady" of mankind, of "Israel." Those who would foolishly obscure my message and "twist" the scripture itself ... to "overturn the listener." -- 2 Cor. 12:2-4; 2 Peter 3:16; 2 Tim. 2:14

  But Jesus spoke of this one ... my coming, the coming of this "man in union with Christ", by saying,

  "...he will glorify me, because he would receive from what is mine and will declare it to you...he receives from what is mine and declares it to you." -- John 16:14, 15

  But when he "declares it to you," O Israel...you will not "receive" him. You do not accept the fact that, "he receives from what belongs to Jesus," ...no, you do not receive that fact. -- See John 14:17; 16:14, 15

  Actually, my ministry, "BRINGS GLORY" to Jesus. "That one will glorify me...", said Jesus. Therefore, if we are blessed to understand his "role", his mission toward spiritual "Israel," we will come to realize this. We will come to appreciate another facet of God's mental "brilliance", His Infinite Wisdom, His incomparable ability to look ahead, and make preparations for His people...centuries in the future, even before their existence as a people. His anticipation of this special circumstance, and special need for His people. God foresaw the "situation" that we would be facing today. And He made preparations for that particular "situation", in our day and time. And He made mention of it thru the "prophets of old time." God's "Hidden Wisdom" in the form of a "sacred secret,"...a "deep thing of God." -- 2 Cor. 12:2-4; John 16:14, 15; Romans 11:33; Acts 3:21; 1 Cor. 2:7, 10

  We remember, Jesus was said to be a "blasphemer" because he said his mission came from God and he was "God's Son."

  "...do you say to whom the Father sanctified and dispatched into the world, "You blaspheme", because I said, I am God's Son?" -- John 10:36

  Today, we know Jesus' words were true. Ahh yes, but back during Jesus' day, the Jewish leaders of the nation said "HE BLASPHEMED" by saying these words. They lacked knowledge, they were ignorant of God's Will for "Israel." They lacked "keen understanding" of God's Purposes for them. The WTS/GB has taken "the key of knowledge" from Israel...modern-day JWs as a nation. The "sheep" are "skinned and thrown about" by the WTS/G.B. The JWs as a spiritual nation, are left in a spiritually, ravished, impoverished condition, like Jesus described "Lazarus" of his day. -- Isa. 27:11; Amos 8:11, 12; Matt. 9:36; Luke 11:52; 16:20, 21

  With many, when we hear something for the first time. When we hear it but don't understand it, when we are so thoroughly ignorant about a subject, many times...we attack! We attack, what we do not at first, understand. Like wild animals, beasts with no "reasoning ability" or spiritual discernment. We sometimes demonstrate ourselves to be "Animalistic", unspiritual. Unfortunately, for our times, a very deadly situation to be in, indeed! -- Acts 3:22-24; 17:2,3; Romans 12:1; James 3:15; 2 Peter 2:12, 13; Jude 10, 19

  Still, you the reader, must remember those who disregard this "message", JWs in general in so doing, simply mimic the Jewish "world" of Jesus' day. Those who disregarded Jesus' message. JWs as a spiritual nation of today, are reacting the way Satan wishes, the real "ruler" of that world, ... they said the same thing about Jesus...and they are presently saying the same things about me. The Devil has got the "upper hand"...so far. He must be "cast out" of this "world," like he was during Jesus' day...just as Jesus said at John 12:31. But, how long is it going to take "Israel" to figure this out...I wonder. Hmmmmmmmm. -- Luke 10:18; John 12:31; 14:30; 16:11

  So with those thoughts in mind, we see the "words" I speak are considered, "UNUTTERABLE," and "unlawful for a man to speak," ... blasphemous words against Christ...words spoken by this "MAN IN UNION WITH CHRIST", this "christian," that Paul spoke of. -- 2 Cor. 12:2-4

  So...I am considered...a "blasphemer"...and my "teaching" is twisted, distorted, and lied upon...just like it was done to Jesus. -- John 5:18; 10:33-36

  In most cases, after hearing my "message", many are compelled to totally "lie" about the content of my message...they feel compelled to "twist" it. In the process, my name is invariably, "cast down as wicked," as has been demonstrated many times on this Discussion Board and others. Still, it was exactly the same for Jesus, you remember. -- Matt. 5:11, 12; Luke 6:22, 23

  No...I do not claim to be a "replacement" for Christ. Clearly, a "sinner" cannot "make himself equal" to a perfect, sin-free person, can he? Neither can I. However, didn't they say Jesus taught he was "equal to God"? ...hmmmm...So ...they say I teach "I'm equal to Jesus." A predictable falsehood. -- John 5:18

  DOCTRINE OF "JUSTIFICATION" BRINGS ABOUT CLEANSING FROM SIN

  However, the blood of Jesus, can give us a "guiltless" standing with God. And this is the basis of my claim to being a "scapegoat,"...the blood of Jesus makes such possible..."men are declared righteous by the blood of Jesus." . -- Matt. 12:7; Acts 13:38, 39; Romans 5:9, 16, 18

  The Scriptures speak and teach of my unique situation:

  Day of Atonement(s) Observance

  Leviticus 16:10 -- shows the 2nd "goat" is "ATONED FOR" [cleansed of sin] by the blood of the first "goat," [Jesus].

  Pentecost Celebration

  "2 lambs" and 2 "loaves" waved...presented to Jehovah for Divine acceptance. -- Leviticus 23:19, 20

  1. ANCIENT "ISRAEL" REDEEMED IN FIRST CENTURY

  (a) 1st "lamb" waved = Jesus [lamb] and

  (b) 1st "loaf" waved = first century "Israel" - spiritual nation with Covenant with God, "atonement" and "spiritual redemption" provided.

  2. MODERN DAY "ISRAEL" (JWs) REDEEMED

  (a) 2nd "lamb" waved = modern-day "lamb" of our times (cleansed by the blood of Jesus & offered to God) and

  (b) 2nd "loaf" waved = modern-day "Israel" ... JWs spiritual nation who are need of "Covenant" with God, and "atonement," "spiritual "redemption."

  With the present day United Nations situation facing all JWs, ... they are in dire need of "REDEMPTION"...the entire nation is in deep "Sin" with the Governing Body leading them into a "blasphemous" relationship with the United Nations...a "breaking of the Covenant" with God. They have "brought the foreigner" into the temple and profaned it, in God's eyes. (Writing articles like Sept. 8th, 1991 Awake magazine on United Nations...) -- Ezekiel 44:7

  Even if the "sin" was "hidden" from the congregation in general...still the WHOLE NATION of JWs are "guilty" in God's eyes. The clandestine sins of the WTS/GB that were committed, in secret. God requires repentance on the spiritual nation's part. -- See Leviticus 4:3, 13

  My book, "The Report" Volume I, was the first to mention this horrendous situation, where the 1991 Sept. Awake! magazine article was cited as "proof" of spiritual fallen condition of Governing Body of JWs. The article was presented as "proof" of what the future holds for the spiritual nation. The article was said to be the first of a string of articles to be written on the United Nations and the WTS/GB God-forbidden relationship between WTS/GB and UN organization. I printed the book, and put it in bookstores the east coast of US, and on a website for years...since 1994.

  The article was cited as being "proof" of something that will occur, in the future. A bigger act of stumbling, a greater future spiritual "fall" for the entire JW organization. -- Daniel 11:30, 32

  The quoted material, made back in 1994, from the publication "The Report" Volume I, on the Sept. 8th 1991 Awake! magazine article on the WTS/UN relationship, can be found on "watchtower.observer.org".

  Also, this thread,

  >> http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=7514&site=3#150513

  MY CLAIMS

  Jehovah's Witnesses are Modern-day "Israel" of our times because of "declaring the Name" of God and carrying it upon themselves, since the year of 1931...some 70 years. -- See "Jehovah's Witnesses in the Divine Purpose" pages 125, 126.

  Jehovah's Witnesses are in a Covenant with God, and are currently "breaking that Covenant." The JWs spiritual nation needs their sins, "atoned for." -- Ezekiel 16:59-63; 44:7

  God sends a modern-day "Servant" with a "Covenant" to redeem the nation, just as he did in Jesus' day. -- Isa. 42:6; 49:8; Romans 11:26

  I claim to be a A SINNER...washed clean by the blood of Jesus...thus a "christian"...a follower of Christ. -- 1 Cor. 6:11; Titus 3:5

  I claim to be "sent" by Jesus Christ himself...a "witness-bearer" about that "Covenant" and redemption. -- John 14:26; 1 John 5:6,7

  ..."Sent by Jesus" BEFORE he comes with final retribution. The Bible shows, modern-day "Israel" of our times, must be spiritually "restored" BEFORE Jesus comes...they fall into "apostasy" in the last days, following the leadership of the Governing Body of JWs, the "Man of Lawlessness." -- Matt. 19:28; Acts 3:20, 21; 2 Thess. 2:3-12

  The Bible says,

  "Elijah" comes first, to "restore ALL THINGS." -- Matt. 17:10, 11

  "Elijah comes BEFORE the great and fear-inspiring day of Jehovah..." -- Malachi 4:5

  Elijah comes BEFORE Jesus comes...simple.

  I claim to be the one, who is "not received by the world,"... even though I present "convincing evidence" of who I am. -- John 16:7,8

  Still, I am not "received" by the world. This is because the world "knows nothing" of me ... its does not "behold me," or recognize the fact of my coming, and that it was clearly prophesied in scripture, that I would come to the Jewish "world." Thus, the Jewish "world", does not "know" me. For this, their lack of Bible understanding and total spiritual ignorance, they "pierce" me...the persecute me, as they did Jesus and the "prophets" before him. -- See Isa. 50:6; 53:3-5; Zech 12:10; Matt. 5:12; John 14:17; 15:20-25

  I claim to be the mystery "chieftain," who is allowed to "eat bread in the presence of God,"...the only one...able to correctly intrepret the Bible and tell of the future...my "predictions" will prove it...there will be no doubt in the end. -- Ezekiel 44:1-3; John 16:13

  I claim to be...the mystery "chieftain" of Ezekiel's mystery "temple"...who is a "sinner." -- Ezekiel 45:22

  MDS
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  MDS

  (Mystery Chieftain Continued)

  SATANIC CONTROL EVIDENT AMONG ORGANIZATION OF JWS

  In light of so many acts of wrongdoing being practiced by the wicked, self-seeking Governing Body of JWs and Headquarters staff, some have felt as follows:

  ...If you are at the top you can do many things with impunity, and without giving it a second thought as to propriety.

  There can be no question but that this is a true statement, and the awful reality that all sincere JWs face today. However, we are reminded, the way the Governing Body of JWs conducts itself, is exactly like the Pharisees in Jesus' day. They are under complete "Satanic" Control...so much so, that "Satan" will have to be "cast out," or expelled from such a "demonized" group. But, this will not happen. Because they are the "Man of Lawlessness," unrevealed to many thus far. God will allow Satan to have more and more "control" over them...even allow Satan to them grant them, that's the Governing Body of JWs, "...every powerful work, lying signs, and portents." It is sure to happen. -- 2 Thess. 2:3-9

  The "Satanic" control exhibited over this "world" [Greek: Kosmos, "an orderly arrangement"] calls for SUPERNATURAL HELP on God's part...an "expelling of Satan" from this "world"...a demonized "world" ... the "world" of JWs as a nation. Just like in Jesus' day. Satan has to be "cast out", of this demonized JW "world." We remember Luke 10:17 shows, appropriately the "spirits [demons] were made subject" to the apostles. This making the "spirits" [demons] "subject" to the apostles was necessary. Thus, this obvious, "Satanic" Demonic influence had to be addressed...must be address if any spiritual progress is to be made. Jehovah and Jesus knew this. Thus, the act of "expelling" demons became a lifelong "activity" of the apostles. -- See Luke 10:18-20; John 12:31.

  And, that is precisely what Jesus' ministry, accomplished...the "judging" and "casting out" of Satan. Jesus made it a practice, to "expel" demons, during the course of his ministry, and allowed his disciples to do the same. Jesus gave his disciples "AUTHORITY OVER unclean spirits [demons]." Thus, the first century christians were completely free of any "Satanic" influence, at all. Satan, had been truly "cast out." Now, they could grow strong, spiritually. -- Matthew 8:16; 10:1; John 12:31; Acts 16:16-18

  It is the same in our day. Satanic, Demonic influence must be addressed by all JWs, worldwide. Satan must be "cast out," again...from this "world." Supernatural help is needed to truly accomplish this. -- See Revelation 12:7-12.

  And it will be accomplished, again...and the "birth of God's Kingdom" along with it. -- Isaiah 66:5-9

  In the meantime...the "Man of Lawlessness" is busy...forcing the "birth" or separation of this "kingdom"...shortly to be "cut out of a mountain"...a Divine separation...a precious "stone"...the beginning of God's Kingdom. Shortly upon us. -- Daniel 2:34, 44, 45

  The "Man of Lawlessness" is forcing the "situation"...this Godly action...to "cut this stone" from this sacred "mountain" ... like at Pentecost. -- 2 Thess. 2:3-12; Isaiah 66:5-9; Daniel 2:34, 44, 45

  The "Transgression that causes Desolation" Identified -- Daniel 8:12, 13

  Here is a quote that explains the entire problem, the "transgression" the GB/WTS committed 10 years ago, by using the Sept. 8, 1991 Awake magazine...and subsequent issues since that time. This is the "transgression" that brings on Jehovah's wrath..."desolation," and the need for Jesus' stern warning to "use discernment" and promptly "flee [modern-day Jerusalem]..." ... exit the WTS (aka, Babylon The Great, the "great city")! -- Ezekiel 44:6,7; Jer. 23:19, 20; Mark 13:14; Rev. 11:8; 18:2, 4

  This insightful comment was made by "SeigsWife" on Sept. 30th, addressed to "Fred Hall" under the thread entitled "NGOS & DPI".

  Please weight her words very, very carefully...

  ...The society is now allowing the Dept. of Public Information of the UN to DIRECT, in part, the content of their magazines. They have entered an AGREEMENT to USE their publications to promote the ideals of the UN. I thought that JEHOVAH was the one DIRECTING the content and ideals of these publications. If the UN, the wild beast, has now assumed this role, where does JEHOVAH fit in? Can JEHOVAH and the WILD BEAST fellowship in this way? Another point is that by agreeing to PROMOTE the UN and its philosophy, the WTS is now acting as a MOUTHPIECE FOR THE UN. Can they really be the mouthpiece for Jehovah AND the wild beast at the same time? Why do you think that a UN agnency is mentioned in some way in EVERY AWAKE magazine? It's because the WTS doesn't have the freedom NOT to mention them if they don't want to. It's because they have agreed to use these publications to do just that. Think, man, think. They are in the same classification with the UN as other churches in the world of false religion, BABYLON THE GREAT. How do you think that Babylon the Great actually RIDES the Wild Beast, if not as NGO's?

  Her viewpoint is EXACTLY RIGHT...exactly the way Jehovah sees this entire problem.

  Ezekiel 44:6,7 shows its a direct "act of rebellion" against God...ever since 1991.

  It is "the transgression that CAUSES desolation." -- Daniel 8:12, 13

  That means, brothers, just as Jesus said, its high time to "FLEE to the mountains..." Away from the WTS organization [Jerusalem]...lest we FEEL God's "wrath" upon us as it comes upon this wretched people and offensive spiritual "land." -- Jer. 30:23, 24; Matt. 24:15, 16; Luke 21:21-23

  Remember: Its the use of these "publications" to uphold the UN, that's the problem...the publications that have previously, glorified and declared "His Great Name." Those who formerly, "boasted in His Name," even. And now, by relying upon the political nations for "security" and prosperity, they have effectively "renounced" this "Great Name" ...by saying, "we have no king but Caesar." Therefore, their "disgrace," is now complete. Now, God acts...He makes the "sun go down at highnoon" or "midday" for God's Name People...sudden spiritual "darkness" instantly upon JWs. A pathetic situation for those who were formerly privileged to "boast in His Name." -- Psalms 105:3; John 19:15

  "And it must occur in that day is the utterance of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah, that I will make the SUN GO DOWN AT HIGH NOON, and I will cause darkness for the land ON A BRIGHT DAY." -- Amos 8:9

  We are there, my friends...instant "darkness"..."on a bright day."

  Jehovah has done this...to "Israel," His Name People. -- 2 Chron. 7:14

  HEEDING THE WARNING OF JESUS AT MATTHEW 24:15, 16

  On Sept. 19th 2001, "You Know" made the following comment under the Topic "Latest Installment of Apostate Doom..."

  As regards my expression ---initial phase of the tribulation---that you took exception to, we could point to the 1st century fulfillment of Christ's words regarding the disgusting thing encroaching upon a holy place. That event, which occurred in 67 C.E., when the Romans under Gallius besieged the city, marked the beginning of the tribulation. That was the signal for Christians to take decisive action. As it turned out the Roman legions withdrew and didn't return for over 3 years. So, what occurred then in 67 was an INITIAL PHASE of the tribulation that was to follow. And primarily that initial phase of distress affected Christians who obeyed Jesus and left their homes and businesses, and perhaps families in some cases. That was their trial; their judgment, if you will. The rest of the city that stayed received their judgment later when the Romans imperial legions returned and crushed Jerusalem. So in the grander fulfillment, the initial phase of the tribulation that comes upon the world will serve God's purpose of testig and refining his own. As the tribulation progresses to its conclusion, then God's judgments against the world are revealed at Armageddon. Like in 67, the judgment is based upon how each one responds to the distressing events of the initial phase of the tribulation.

  Isn't the above information that you have so eloguently provided, the actual "proof" and scriptural basis for all faithful JWs to "flee" modern-day Jerusalem of our times, the Organization of Jehovah's Witnesses under the guidance of the Governing Body?

  WE MUST ADMIT THE "SITUATION" FACING ALL JWS TODAY:

  1. The "Disgusting thing" Jesus spoke of = United Nation Organization where "the [Bible] reader [All JWS] must use [spiritual] discernment" to escape calamity. -- Matt. 24:15

  2. The Beast "standing where he ought not/in Holy Place" = WTS/GB voluntary becomes UN NGO/DPI (greedily receiving money from UN Organization and accepting perks like free air fare, etc.)

  3. The "Transgression That Causes Desolation" (Dan. 8:13) = Writing of Sept. 8th, 1991 Awake! supportive article on United Nations (and subsequent favorable articles written on United Nations Organization since that year...no one "twists their arm" to write such...completely voluntary action)

  4. Jesus commands his disciples to "flee Jerusalem" (City called by God's Name) Deut. 16:6; Jer. 25:29; Dan. 9:19 = All sincere JWs "flee" JWs/WTS Organization...before coming "days of vengeneance"/"wrath" upon this people - Matt. 24:15, 16; Mark 13:14; Luke 21:21-24

  5. Modern-day "Jerusalem" from which All JWs should "flee" = "The Great City," aka "Babylon the Great" ... where the "Man of Lawlessness" (Governing Body) presides and "publicly shows himself to be a god," by openly breaking God's Law with impunity or any corrective action on the JW flock's part. -- Revelation 11:8; 18:8, 18; 2 Thess. 2:3-12

  6. 70 Years of "Captivity" to "Babylon, the Great City" -- the "City that is called by God's Name" has ended...October 2001. Reminiscient of what Daniel "discerned" from reading "Jeremiah" for ancient "Israel." A repeat of this situation, all over again. -- Daniel 9:2; 9:19; Revelation 11:8; 18:8, 18

  7. Amazingly, the "Babylonish Captivity" Ends on Anniversary of 70 Years of "Captivity" & of "Declaring God's Name," October 2001, exactly when the "transgression which causes desolation" has been revealed by Jehovah God Himself..."coming on a swift cloud." They will no longer be allowed to "boast in His Name." -- Isa. 19:1-4; Psalms 105:1-3; See publication: "Jehovah's Witnesses In the Divine Purpose" pgs. 125, 126 and October 1931 release of publication "The Hope of the World Is God's Kingdom, and There is No Other Hope" which was the beginning of "Declaring God's Name" or "Naming the Name of Jehovah" as a united people. -- Psalms 105:1; 2 Tim. 2:19

  Based upon the above, wouldn't you say, All sincere JWs have to voluntarily "get out of Babylon", "Jerusalem", the "Great City", JWs Organization to please Jehovah? -- Rev. 11:8; 18:2, 4, 8, 18

  Indeed, the expression Jesus used, "flee from Jerusalem", escape from her, is clearly taught repeatedly to us in the Holy Scriptures. The thought at first, might seem, unthinkable to loyal servants of God. Those who hold the "temple" of God, in utmost high esteem. Still, first century christians, were reminded of these very words at Hebrews 13:13, 14.

  "Let us, then, go forth to him outside the camp, bearing the reproach he bore, for we do not have here a city that continues, but we are earnestly seeking the one to come."

  Yes, first century christians had to "flee" Jerusalem, go "outside the camp" of Jerusalem, the "city that did not continue." The "city that is called by God's Name." -- Deut. 16:6; Jer. 25:29; Dan. 9:19

  Jesus reminded first century christians of their initial act of faith, courage & spirit of sacrifice in "fleeing" the idolatry and associations thereof of their former "temple" worship and life -- Leaving behind established homes, family, means of livelihood or work, life-time friends and former associates -- all who would stubbornly cling to, and willingly remain a part of that idolatrous, Covenant-Breaking "city" and people, those who favored supporting the rebellious "temple" worship of the Pharisees instead of following the worship advocated by Jesus the Messiah. Jesus made his point by saying,

  "The one that conquers -- I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out from it [idolatrous "temple" at Jerusalem] anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem which descends out of heaven from my God, and that new name of mine." -- Revelation 3:12

  Yes, christians had to "flee from idolatry." Thus, they had to flee idolatrous Jerusalem of the first century, their previous homes, life-style and worship. But flee, only once...one "flight" from Jerusalem would be enough to prove their true loyalty to God. One "escape" from Jerusalem, the "great city," -- one escape from "Babylon," and, as Jesus promised above, he would not have to "go out" or escape it "anymore." -- 1 Cor. 10:14; Rev. 3:12; 11:8; 18:4, 18

  Today, all Jehovah's Witnesses, must do the same..."flee" from the G.B./WTS as an organization...an "apostate nation" that has "left Jehovah" completely. -- Isaiah 1:4; 10:6

  MDS
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  ianao

  Hey MDS:

  Keep this up and you'll have no report to sell to anyone!

  Readers can read YK's response to the above here: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=14347&page=3&site=3