Anonymous domain name registration?

by IT Support 23 Replies latest jw friends

  • IT Support
    IT Support

    Does anyone have any experience regarding anonymously registering a new domain name?

    There are a number of US registrars offering anonymous, or private, domain name registration, where the registrar registers the new domain name in their own name but the customer has full rights to use, trade, sell the name, etc. They usually charge an additional $5 to $10 per month for the service. However, they all state that if the cutomer does anything 'bad' with the domain name (e.g. illegal pornography, spamming, copyright infringement), they will lose the benefit of anonymity. So it's not a true anonymous registration.

    As a matter of interest, note this comment from EFF:

    The tradition of anonymous speech is older than United States, where founders Hamilton, Madison, and Jay wrote the Federalist Papers as "Publius" and "the Federal Farmer" spoke up in rebuttal. The U.S. Supreme Court has repeatedly recognized rights to speak anonymously derived from the First Amendment. See McIntyre v. Ohio Elections Comm'n, 514 U.S. 334, 342 (1995) ("anonymous pamphleteering is not a pernicious, fraudulent practice, but an honorable tradition of advocacy and dissent");

    But I bet you would never guess who was a supporter of anonymous free speech (from the same web page as above):

    In the United States, at least, the right to anonymous speech is protected well beyond the printed page. Thus the Supreme Court struck down a law requiring proselytizers to register before going door-to-door, even where the town had claimed an interest in preventing physical crime supported its law. See Watchtower Bible & Tract Soc'y of New York, Inc. v. Village of Stratton, 536 U.S. 150, 166 (2002). Requiring registration to speak through domain names online does not fit this tradition.

    So there you have it, Watchtower supports anonymous free speech.

    So, getting back to my original question. Hypothetically, if someone was involved in a project which they did not want to be traceable back to them, how would they go about it?

    Would it make any difference, e.g. registering the new domain name with a registrar located in a country which would be hostile to a US court's requests for information. But what then if a multinational corporation used its local branch to request the information?

    Any tips, suggestions or personal experiences would be most welcome.

  • glitter
    glitter

    For .com .net and .org you can put whatever you like for the registrant details so they can be anonymous.

    Billing details don't show up on a WHOIS.

  • AlmostAtheist
    AlmostAtheist
    For .com .net and .org you can put whatever you like for the registrant details so they can be anonymous.

    To a point, yes. But if you intended to do something you felt was "right" but someone else felt wasn't quite "legal", that wouldn't protect you. For instance if I decided to post the contents of the super-secret elder's manual, I would risk getting sued. In which case my "mickey mouse" entries wouldn't protect me at all.

    Or more to the point, if I decided to put up a whole web site full of "embarrassing" quotes from the Watchtower, I might get sued. (Theoretically, I mean. Not that anything like that could ever really happen. http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/11/98096/1.ashx )

    Dave

  • IT Support
    IT Support

    According to the same EFF page:

    "The imperfections of hosted services may be seen in the example of Domains-By- Proxy and the Re-Code.com website. Domains-By-Proxy revealed the name of its "anonymous" registrant as soon as the registrant's conduct was challenged, without any determination that the challenger had a legal cause of action."

    proxy fight [Domains-by-proxy update] The same case that brought Domains by Proxy to my attention demonstrates its shortcomings: Domains by Proxy doesn't proxy for long (via nettime-l). Re-Code bills itself as "a new space for political satire using products that already exist in stores" -- it offered bar-codes, purportedly for printing and swapping with those on WalMart products. There's plenty of room for argument whether the site was "encouraging and facilitating theft and fraud", as WalMart claimed, or satirizing consumer culture [recall voteauction.com, where First Amendment defenses prevailed], but that debate should happen before breach of the site-owner's anonymity.

    On April 10th, Re-Code was informed that their anonymity service agreement had been terminated by Domains by Proxy -- on the mere allegation of unlawful activity. Unfortunately, that means the anonymizing service fails just when it's needed most. It fails to protect unpopular speakers from the chilling effect of threats. We still need anonymous domain name registration for those cases. http://wendy.seltzer.org/blog/archives/2003/04/11/proxy_fight_domainsbyproxy_update.html

    So they may be anonymous in theory, but not in practice.

  • Jourles
    Jourles

    If money was absolutely no object, this is where I would host *the* site:

    http://www.havenco.com/index.html

  • enigmatic
    enigmatic

    Yes you can put whatever for registration details but I don't reccomend it, plus if you use a credit card for registration who anonymous is that?. Case in point: I did that and the site became pretty profitable. Well if its registered to Juan Dinero from mexico it makes it pretty hard for you to prove legal ownership. The only proof to your ownership is the email address you have registered (use this to make hosting name changes and so-on). If someone gets ahold of this email (or spoof's you email address which was happening alot "domain hi-jacking") How are you going to prove its yours? I had a ex that was quite devious and got a hold of my password and changed everything to her legal name, well long to make a long story short she is the pround owner of a decent website, that I slaved over to get going. Try Yahoo domains, I just registered a domain with them, it was under 10 bucks a month for the domain, with some basic webhosting and private registration is .75 a month extra. Hope this helps, if you have any ?'s message me, thats what I do e-stores and internet development.


    J

  • IT Support
    IT Support

    Jourles,

    I see what you mean:

    If money was absolutely no object...
  • IT Support
    IT Support

    Enigmatic,

    Yes you can put whatever for registration details but I don't reccomend it,

    You're right; perhaps what we really need is a guarantee of privacy, not anonymity.

    I had a ex that was quite devious and got a hold of my password and changed everything to her legal name, well long to make a long story short she is the pround owner of a decent website, that I slaved over to get going.

    That's what happens when you start letting the good little ladies out of the kitchen...!

    Try Yahoo domains, I just registered a domain with them, it was under 10 bucks a month for the domain, with some basic webhosting and private registration is .75 a month extra.

    Yes, not bad at all, but as has been said elsewhere regarding another web site, if they start getting threatening lawyer's letters, they're not going to go to court to defend your privacy for a $10-a-month account.

    Hope this helps, if you have any ?'s message me, thats what I do e-stores and internet development.

    Thanks, might take you up on that.

    plus if you use a credit card for registration who anonymous is that?

    Quite right. Do you know anything about anonymous online payments?

  • clear2c
    clear2c

    Anonymous Domain registration is good! but expensive... it will show your whois info as the top level domain you registered with.. not your billing information and your domain provider will forward everything to you. :) hope that helps

    ATTN: YOURDOMAIN.COM
    c/o Network Solutions
    P.O. Box 447
    Herndon, VA. 20172-0447

    Domain Name: YOURDOMAIN.COM

    Administrative Contact:
    yourdomain.com Whois Privacy and Spam Prevention by Whois Source
    ATTN: YOURDOMAIN.COM
    c/o Network Solutions
    P.O. Box 447
    Herndon, VA 20172-0447
    570-708-8780

    Technical Contact:
    Your Host Whois Privacy and Spam Prevention by Whois Source
    Your Host
    ATTN: YOURDOMAIN.COM
    c/o Network Solutions
    P.O. Box 447
    Herndon, VA 20172-0447
    570-708-8780

  • professor
    professor

    It costs a little more for not getting all the spam.

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