Jesus was a liar.

by nicolaou 123 Replies latest watchtower bible

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  cofty

  Jesus says the temple will be destroyed.

  Disciples asks when?

  Jesus launches into his apocalyptic prophecy including the following...

  False messiahs, wars, famines, earthquakes, persecution, many leave the faith, false prophets deceive many, love of most grows cold, gospel preacehd throughout the earth, Jerusalem under seige, signs in sun moon and stars, sign of son of man in heaven with power and great glory, gathering of the elect from the four winds.

  Then he addresses the question of when?

  The answer is that he doesn't know BUT - " Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened."

  His followers organised their lives accordingly. He was a false prophet.
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  tec

  Disciples asked when the temple will be destroyed, when the end will come, and when he will return. Many questions that Christ answered, and were later written down together. We also have the revelation of John that shows that these things had NOT yet come to pass, but were still coming, and that was at the end of the first century, was it not?

  Peace,

  tammy
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  adamah

  Cofty said-

  His followers organised their lives accordingly. He was a false prophet.

  But worse, he was a failed claimaint to being the Jewish Messiah, "the anointed one": his death drove that point home that he was a failure, just as Bar Kochba's killing by Roman soldiers did, 100 yrs after Jesus' death, since part of the prophecies was that as a LIVING MORTAL, the Jewish Messiah WOULD re-establish the Nation of Israel as a separate power AND re-establish the Temple as a site of worship (which was kinda hard to do if, during Jesus' time, the Temple already HAD been rebuilt centuries before and WAS in active use to offer sacrifices)!

  Jesus wasn't the first Messiah claimant to force himself to fit into the OT prophecies, and wasn't the last: he was one of a long line of many such Jewish males who jumped the shark by inserting themselves into the storyline and declaring themselves to be "the Promised One" to fulfill the prophetic writings of the Nevi'im (and at least when Bar Kochba was alive, the Temple HAD already been destroyed in 70 CE by the Romans, so it kind of made some sense for him to claim to be the Jewish Messiah who would REBUILD the Temple AND head up a Nation of Israel that had been liberated from the Roman Empire).

  Adam
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  cofty

  Utter nonsense Tammy

  Read the whole of Matt 24 in one go.

  Of course we have John waffling all sorts of weird BS in Revelation because Jesus STILL hadn't shown up. "I am coming quickly" etc.

  " Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. "

  ALL THESE THINGS!
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  tec

  His resurrection would show otherwise Adamah. That's not much of a failure at all, lol.

  Yes, I know that you do not believe in it. But certainly those who saw/heard Him afterward did... be that in the flesh or in the spirit. Yes, I know that you do not believe this either. But you can understand how someone who has heard or seen Him... is not convinced by your lack of having heard or seen Him.

  Now, had He not been resurrected... being alive is how he could give John a revelation, or speak to Paul or Peter or anyone else... then there would be a problem for those who have put their faith in Him. But He is still speaking and still leading those who belong to Him into all truth.

  It is not like that was the first thing He had said, Cofty, that people misunderstood. Perhaps because they did not stick around and ask Him to explain. But we CAN ask Him, and then await His answer, as this answer will be the truth, as long as we have the faith to hear Him.

  Peace,

  tammy
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  prologos

  If there was need for accurately recording what Jesus said, did, it would have been recorded right away.

  It is a filtered story written decades later as a sequel to the talking snake, increase in knowledge, death through sin, desire for a longer life saga.

  Non of this should be taken seriously, except some underlying common myth, misunderstandings. .

  thank you for reviving the rich JWN history for newbies.
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  cofty

  I show you incontrovertible proof that Jesus was a false prophet and you resort to your usual cop-out, "But we CAN ask Him, and then await His answer, as this answer will be the truth, as long as we have the faith to hear Him."

  Your intellectual dishonesty reaches new depths.
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  Comatose

  It's really amazingly simple until you try to make it fit with known history and try to prove it was 100% true. Just read it as it is. It's what Jesus meant. It didn't happen, but it's what he meant. (If he said it)

  read the book 'Zealot' Tammy. You would like it.
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  cofty

  Isn't it great not having to perform mental contortions to defend ancient myths.

  Atheism just makes such perfect sense.
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  adamah

  TEC said-

  His resurrection would show otherwise Adamah. That's not much of a failure at all, lol.

  There's NO MENTION in the prophecies of the Messiah actually being killed and THEN resurrected. That's precisely WHY the Romans put them to death: they knew enough about Judaism to know that killing the claimaint was proof enough for MOST rational Jews to figure it out (not the Christians, though: they simply engaged in eisegesis and translated the nebulous scriptural prophecies in a way to fit THEIR doctrinal needs, too. Eventually the Romans figured out to accept Christianity as the official religion of the Roman Empire and it took off like gangbusters after the Roman Emperors decided if you can't beat them, rewrite the story line of the religion to insert elements that worked nicely for control of the hoi polloi).

  Adam