My friends experience at elder school

by Grouper 22 Replies latest jw friends

  • Grouper
    Grouper



    A friend of mind went to Elder school recently and I convoy the following for him:



    The CO asked him previously if he could assist with a demonstration showing the superiority of WTBTS education to university education. My friend holds a few masters' degrees and will be starting a PHD program soon so the CO thought he would be an excellent candidate to demonstrate the superiority of WTBTS education, but there was a little problem my friend he said NO. He could not in good faith speak in front of individuals and tell them the WTBTS education was superior because their organization skills are not superior to that of what universities teach since many of the skills he posses in his administrative job were learned in college and therefore that translated to the success he has in his secular job. He also mentioned the organizational skills he has leaned in the truth are different and serve their need but he felt they were not superior to those of an university.



    He told the CO that he was not going to bash higher education and the CO told him that that was not what he wanted but instead to point out how the organization skills he has learned in the truth are better than university education and they don't have the dangers that an university education have such as binge drinking, sex, drugs....



    My friend told the CO that with regards to those dangers that statistically speaking that affects most demographics the same including witnesses that don’t go to school, because we have seen and been involved with some witnesses including us that have been involved in similar behavior.



    The CO thank him and they ended their conversation, but a few minutes later the PO called him and asked if he would reconsider, he said that if it involved the same dialogue he would not, and so he didn’t.



    So at the Elder school the individual that took the part my friend turned down was a real kiss up to the organization. He stated that even with a master’s degree he was not prepared to tackle the business world and that the public speaking and organization skills he acquired in the truth once he converted have really helped him succeed. The speaker from Bethel asked him what percentage he believed of his university education has helped him succeed in the business world and he said 10%. The brother continued and stated his year in college were completely useless and never found a job in the area he got his degrees in. Many chuckled and then the Speaker stated “You see brother’s school helped to be 10% ready for the real world aren’t we fortunate to be taught by Jehovah’s ORG. “



    At the end of the school my buddy went up to the interviewee and told him he enjoyed his part and was interested to know what he received his bachelors and master degree in.



    He said:



    Bachelors- Liberal Arts



    Master’s- Ceramic Arts with an interest in teaching pottery.



    My buddy asked why he did not pursue a career in teaching pottery the interviewee said that he wanted to move back home and the only job opportunities were in Liberal Art’s Colleges on the East Coast and he wanted to live in a Metropolitan area so job opportunities were limited and very competitive.



    My buddy felt the interview was a “set up” and the fact that there was no mention of his degrees was misleading.



    After the session ended, my buddy purposely went out of his way to tell the Bethel Rep. he enjoyed the program (little did the Bethel Rep. know my buddy was being sarcastic) specifically about education. The Bethel Rep. pointed out that there are too many dangers in going to college and Bethel Service best serves our children.



    I lived in a dorm for many years going to college with my buddy, and we saw more drinking, drugs, and sexual misconduct at witness parties than at the dorms. At least the people in the dorms did not drink on Friday night and preach on Saturday morning.



  • Robdar
    Robdar


    Interesting story.

    I lived in a dorm for many years going to college with my buddy, and we saw more drinking, drugs, and sexual misconduct at witness parties than at the dorms. At least the people in the dorms did not drink on Friday night and preach on Saturday morning.

    You are obviously NOT a Liberal Arts major. Edited to add: Welcome to the forum. Robyn

  • JustTickledPink
    JustTickledPink

    For the record, my husband got his masters in electrical engineering and he is very honest about the fact it was sooooo difficult that he never partied, never drank, never dated, never got laid those entire 2 years. He went to class, studied, and worked on his graduate thesis.

    Education actually reduces illegitimate sex, drugs, alcohol abuse in my opinion. I still attend university and my fellow student seem focused and working towards a goal. You don't have time to be partying. That is the minority. I agree witness kids party just as hard or harder than 1st year college students.

  • AK - Jeff
    AK - Jeff

    Well - you know what? The mind-washing has to start with the elders, so that they can wash the minds of the R&F when they get back home.

    Seems like a huge push on this education issue right now - the hemmoraging is starting to hurt I think. But this will not solve it. The best way to create a desire to do something forbidden to to continually forbid it! Keep up the good work WTS, soon you will bleed to death.

    Well - we can only hope, right?

    Jeff

  • wiegel
    wiegel

    oh brother.

    the real reasons they discourage "university" education:

    1. the kids are 18 and don't HAVE TO keep up the routine at the KH if they don't want to.

    2. it's not the sex, drugs, or alcohol

    3. it's the fact that many will learn how to THINK for themselves

    As a life-long witness myself from 20 yrs on, I didn't learn how to think critically until I got out of their grasp - I was in my 50's. Once you learn to do that, the house of cards comes tumbling down, the emperor stands naked exclaiming "Pay no attention to the naked emperor, his clothing is figurative and only the clean of heart can see it."

    and that's my 2 cents on WT giving skills for successful living.

    oh brother.

  • stillajwexelder
    stillajwexelder

    Education actually reduces illegitimate sex, drugs, alcohol abuse in my opinion.

    ABSOLUTELY - I totally agree

  • DaCheech
    DaCheech

    I blame the WT for my avoidance of college in the 80's.

    Even though I have worked hard to be where I am, I would be more sure of myself knowing: --> that I am more than qualified for any job being seeked.

    When I'm unemployed, I skip though most ads due to this FACT

  • theinfamousone
    theinfamousone
    Education actually reduces illegitimate sex, drugs, alcohol abuse in my opinion

    as much as id like to agree cuz it makes the witnesses look bad, that isnt true at all... like i work hard at skool... im triple majoring and looking to go for my PhD... but ill tell u, my university life has brought baou much more drinkin, much more sex and much more partyin... they dont want us in school cuz they dont want us to think...

    the infamous one

  • luna2
    luna2

    I was 28 and had just gone back to school when the JW's came a knocking on my door. I had been pretty determined to finish and get my degree until I started to succumb to the hypnotic pull of being able to drop out of the world and wait for Armegeddon. No need for stinky old worldly schooling when soon we would be romping in mountain meadows with grizzley bears, snakes and all the giant water melons we could eat. Makes you want to break into that Julie Andrews song from Sound of Music doesn't it?

    It was a struggle for me to pay for school so, in the short term, it was definitely a financial relief to back away from getting that education. In the long run, however, my kids and I would have been much better off if I'd continued on, dub or not. Unfortunately, the husband got himself in trouble in Korea, which was an expense we were not prepared for. I took that event and the fact that the JW's discouraged education as a sign that it wasn't meant to be. (ugh, I know...what a dope).

    I must say, though, that even as brainwashed as I became, I never thought reading the mags was any sort of equal or substitute for a real education...I wasn't that much of a moron.

    Its really something to see how duplicitous the WTS is with their little half truths, twisted and mangled truths, and outright fabrications. Isnt' it interesting that an organization that calls itself "the truth" is so very false and rotten all the way through.

  • jwfacts
    jwfacts

    I went to Uni in the 1980s and had problems from the cong for being so rebellious. Yet I never got laid or drunk, didn't even make any 'worldly' friends. Nor was my mind opened to apostasy. My uneducated JW friends all left in their 20's it took me till my 30's to see I was part of the great UnTruth.
    On the other hand, I have thrown quite a few parties over the years and had many a JW hanging their head over my toilet bowl.

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