Do any of us really want the truth?

by Qcmbr 44 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Mysterious
    Mysterious

    A very interesting post jwfacts. Certainly a well known theorist on the psychology of personality, George Kelly, spoke of humans obtaining truth for themselves by means of what he called constructive alternativism. He purported that everyone had their own individual constructs based on their own experiences and perspectives. The more these constructs lined up with our experiences the the more they were reinforced. Therefore if both you and defd find that in your lives the contructs you have are consistent you will be unlikely to abandon them. However, since you have opposite views it is likely that were you to switch lives you might find your constructs changing accordingly. Constructs thus have a value to each person in that specific time and place.

    He also determined that your constucts influence your experiences and perceptions of these. Thus a higher degree of incongruence is needed in order to shake someone's belief that what they hold to be true is in fact actually true.

  • AK - Jeff
    AK - Jeff

    Interesting thread.

    There is massive confusion following the escape from a cult like the Jw's, at least for most people. Having been constantly bombarded with the term 'the Truth' as a witness, there may well be an excessive sense of need to secure absolutes for some that leave.

    The power of the cult was to assure one that he needed no longer to search, identify, prove anything. It was all neatly packaged for us.

    There are no nice neat packages is a tremendous blow to some and they keep looking for the clear truth somewhere. I have noticed in discussion with some other non-jw's after leaving the cult, that they seem far less interested in this matter of 'truth'. They are content to worship God in the way they have chosen, and they assume they may have less than absolutes.

    Former witnesses are concept driven by the religion's insistence of 'truth', and a need to find a replacement. I may be wrong, but I doubt that most former members of a religion seem so driven by 'truth'.

    Just My Opinion

    Jeff

  • gumby
    gumby
    The WTS attempts to overcome this problem by the claim that Jehovah draws his sheep.

    Funny how Jehovah "draws" mostly from the USA. I guess he hasn't "drawn" from the muslim countries yet.

    Gumby

  • bull01lay
    bull01lay


    For me, that answer would depend on what I had to do once I had it!

    For example. If I had 'The Truth' revealed to me, would I then be expected to start telling others, maybe form little groups of 'beleivers', then gather these together to 'study' or reaffirm 'the truth'. Then, as we convert more to 'the truth', but a dedicated building to meet in etc etc until one day somebody's posting on a board like this complaining about my 'truth' and why it's wrong.

    My opinion - I'm not ready to know 'the truth' cos of the weight of responsibility that would bring.

    Bull!

  • Enigma One
    Enigma One

    One thing I have found is that when discussing religion with someone, if they admit "I might be wrong about this, but..." usually tend to be pretty enlightened. Those that postulate in absolutes tend to have so many logical fallacies it isn't funny. Of course these "absolutists" can't see how illogical they really are. When you assume you don't have the answers, or that the "truth" you already have may not be true...you tend to become a more spiritual person. The more religious a person is the less spiritual that person tends to be from my experience. But what do I know....I could be wrong. LOL.

  • Sad emo
    Sad emo

    I think I'm coming to the conclusion that nobody can know the absolute truth about certain things at least. I like to compare how my version of the truth fits in with others views, then, if I see I need to, I'll modify my 'truths'. It seems to be more about learning than knowing.

    Truth is relative!

  • Enigma One
    Enigma One

    Sad Emo....."truth is relative"

    That makes you a Taoist.

  • Nate Merit
    Nate Merit

    Hi Qcmbr

    For me, it depends on what you mean by "truth." Do you mean reletive truth or Absolute Truth? I do not think Absolute Truth is knowable in a scientific manner. Perhaps it isn't knowable at all, period. Reletive truth, however, is knowable. Unlike the claims that Cosmic Truth exists and is knowable by reading some "holy" book, reletive truth is, well, reletive. It changes as we learn more. It comes piecemeal, not at all once. It's path of discovery, not of having it all dumped in our laps. Fundies seem to be able to grasp that our knowledge and technology grow incrementally, and old frameworks and worldviews have to be modiifed or abandoned as knowledge grows, but when it comes to biology and cosmology they want instant Absolute Answers.

    Even though I once thought that way myself, I no longer understand it.

    So, in answer to your question, yes. I try to study as much as possible and keep current. I want the truth, not a comforting fable.

    Nate

  • AuldSoul
    AuldSoul

    "...in the interests of National Security." is a crafty way of saying, "...if we told you, you'd revolt."

    AuldSoul (of the "I would love the truth" class)

  • JamesThomas
    JamesThomas

    Do any of us really want the truth?

    My sense is we all have an innate and natural desire to be in harmony with truth. Who of us finds genuin comfort and peace in living a lie?

    The problems arise when we equate Truth, with mental and intellectual abstracts and beliefs. No two people think alike; no two people identify with the exact same conceptual truths as others. Similar enough to get by and be practical at times, but never exact. Uh, the beauty of an infinitely diverse universe....but what is just underneath?

    This brings us to ultimate Truth. Not a truth that is relative and dissimilar as above, but rather upon discovery is seen to be equally true to everyone and everything. Is there such an all encompassing Truth?

    Is there an actuality and reality within ourselves that when seen unquestionably unites us with all things? Have we investigated and inquired into the depths of our being? We have certainly spent a lot of time on things outside of us, and yet there is no ultimate truth to be found; only things we can discuss and argue about, millennia after millennia.

    Wouldn't it be too wonderful if the unitive truth we seek is actually what we really are; and simply hidden by the vast differences and stories we believe ourselves to be.

    j

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