gary i was present for a conversation with the bones of it being to get the brothers to open up their wallets a bit more. it disgusted me , i wasn't myself for a few days after hearing this. and as regards my other comment, what i was trying to say (obviously not very well) was that you should never see something you are supposed to love/be in awe/be scared of too closely, purely because you are only going to be disappointed. to be honest with you, i think it was probably the way i had viewed the society before hand, and the money grabbing commercial side was just never seen by me before thanks everyone for the warm welcome, i look forward to getting more involved as time goes on, if i am a bit coy, i hope you'll understand that i am just protecting myself, just in case. you never know who is reading these things