Matthew 24 Verse By Verse

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    Nate Merit

    The 24 th chapter of Matthew text is taken from

    The New Testament in Modern Speech

    translated by Richard F. Weymouth, The Pilgrim Press, Boston, 1930 , 1912

    Commentary compliments of

    Mark Smith

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    Matthew 24:

    1 Jesus had left the Temple and was going on His way, when His disciples came and called His attention to the Temple buildings.

    His disciples bring to his attention the beautiful buildings of the Jewish temple, one of the wonders of the world at that time.

    2 "You see all these?" He replied; "in solemn truth I tell you that there will not be left here one stone upon another that will not be pulled down."

    3 Afterwards He was on the Mount of Olives and was seated there when the disciples came to Him, apart from the others, and said, "Tell us when this will be; and what will be the sign of your Coming and of the Close of the Age?"

    The Address on the Envelope

    Jesus is being questioned by, and is responding to, his Apostles, and no one else here in this 24 th chapter of Matthew. The text goes out of its way to communicate this. This is not an envelope addressed "Occupant" but rather addressed specifically "To The Apostles". The entire discourse shows the message was for the First Century Apostles, and not concerned with people living thousands of years in the future. Please follow the "us's" and "you's" etc. that I have put in bold formatting, to see exactly whom Jesus was speaking to.

    4 "Take care that no one misleads you ," answered Jesus;

    "You" = First Century Apostles

    The warnings are to the First Century Apostles, and NOT to people millions of years distant.

    5 "for many will come assuming my name and saying `I am the Christ;' and they will mislead many.

    6 And before long you will hear of wars and rumours of wars. Do not be alarmed, for such things must be; but the End is not yet.

    "Before Long" = Soon

    The "before long" is reinforced in the Greek by the word "mello" meaning, "to be on the point of doing or suffering something".

    7 For nation will rise in arms against nation, kingdom against kingdom, and there will be famines and earthquakes in various places;

    8 but all these miseries are but like the early pains of childbirth.

    "Pains of Childbirth" = Soon

    Again, no room for thousands of years. This was all due- and soon.

    9 "At that time they will deliver you up to punishment and will put you to death; and you will be objects of hatred to all the nations because you are called by my name.

    Persecution Fulfilled in First Century

    Another indication this is a First Century event. For those of you who buy into the book, the book by William McBirnie, "The Search for the Twelve Apostles" claims to document how, within the First Century, all these Apostles to whom Jesus spoke ended up being persecuted, some even to death. And again, Jesus is talking to the "YOU" of the First Century Apostles, and not to every Tom, Dick and Harry since then.

    10 Then will many stumble and fall, and they will betray one another and hate one another.

    11 Many false prophets will rise up and lead multitudes astray;

    12 and because of the prevalent disregard of God's law the love of the great majority will grow cold;

    Apostasy Fulfilled in First Century

    "The Apostasy" was a daily fact of First Century church life. Judas Iscariot, and Ananias & Sapphira were apostates near the beginning of the Christian era, and toward the end of the First Century, 1 st John 2:18 records the then current existence of not one, but many, "anti-Christs". Paul even names some apostates

    "For Demas, having loved this present world, has deserted me… Alexander the coppersmith did me much harm; the Lord will repay him according to his deeds… he has vigorously opposed our teaching." (2 nd Timothy 4:10-1 5)

    13 but those who stand firm to the End shall be saved.

    "Stand Firm To End" = Within Lifetime

    This is just one of several places within the New Testament where it is indicated that the Second Coming is something these Apostles (and others of that century) could, if they "stood firm", hope to see within their lifetime.

    Other references are: Heb. 3:6, 14; Rev. 2:25,26 etc. The "shall be saved" is not the "instant-karma" salvation Televangelists hawk on their gaudy TV shows, but rather being saved from the destruction that was due to take place upon the Earth when the excrement hit the fan during Biblegod's "days of vengeance" (Lk 21:22) at the Second Coming.

    14 And this Good News of the Kingdom shall be proclaimed throughout the whole world to set the evidence before all the Gentiles; and then the End will come.

    Gospel ® Whole Earth: 1st Century Also

    The New Testament claims that well before the 1 st Century ended the entire world had ALREADY been evangelized with the gospel. Examine the following two verses for confirmation of this claim:

    So faith comes from what is heard, and what is heard comes by the preaching of Christ. But I ask, have they not heard? Indeed they have; for "Their voice has gone out to all the earth, and their words to the ends of the world."

    (Rm 10: 17,18 RSV)

    The gospel… has been proclaimed to every creature under heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant. (Col. 1:23 NIV)

    15 "When you have seen (to use the language of the Prophet Daniel) the `Abomination of Desolation', standing in the Holy Place" --let the reader observe those words--

    "Holy Place" = First Century Temple

    In case no one noticed, there hasn't been a temple of Jehovah to "stand in" since the Jewish temple got razed in 70 AD. Once again, this points to a 1 st Century era.

    As for Christian Fundies who teach that another temple may some day be constructed, does that mean that your Biblegod is behind said construction, thus making it a "Holy Place"? Can just anybody, at any time, with or without prior authorization from your Biblegod, go around building temples that somehow then automatically become "holy"? If so, then what of the Mormon temples? What if all the Atheists got together, and built a temple there in Jerusalem? Constructing an object that looks like a living human body (i.e. a statue) or a "holy" temple does not make said object a living human body or a "holy" temple.

    16 "then let those who are in Judaea escape to the hills;

    17 let him who is on the roof not go down to fetch what is in his house;

    18 nor let him who is outside the city stay to pick up his outer garment.

    19 And alas for the women who at that time are with child or have infants!

    20 "But pray that your flight may not be in winter, nor on the Sabbath;

    21 for it will be a time of great suffering, such as never has been from the beginning of the world till now, and assuredly never will be again.

    First Century Israel

    These phrases "those who are in Judaea" and "on a Sabbath" are a big hint that in location, this scenario is placed in the Israel of yesteryear. Another clue is the mentioning of people being up on roofs, indicates the flat roofs that were common back then during the First Century. These HINTS hint of First Century Israel, and NOT modern day Los Angeles or Tokyo.

    22 And if those days had not been cut short, no one would escape; but for the sake of God's own People those days will be cut short.

    I hope that modern theologians are not the ones allowed to define the word "short" in this verse. If so, the suffering may last for thousands of years!!!

    23 "If at that time any one should say to you, `See, here is the Christ!' or `Here!' give no credence to it.

    24 For there will rise up false Christs and false prophets, displaying wonderful signs and prodigies, so as to deceive, were it possible, even God's own People.

    25 Remember, I have forewarned you.

    "Remember" = Alive = First Century

    Jesus couldn't ask these people to stop in the middle of all these future disasters to remember what he had told them years in their past, unless they would yet be alive in the midst of all these future disasters. No future generations are in view here.

    26 If therefore they should say to you, `See, He is in the Desert!' do not go out there: or `See, He is indoors in the room!' do not believe it.

    27 For just as the lightning flashes in the east and is seen to the very west, so will be the Coming of the Son of Man.

    Visibility = Problem for Preterist View

    As with all things Christian, this doctrine of the Second Coming is fractured amongst various splinter groups. One such group, called the "Preterist", (and even this small splinter group is further splintered into even smaller groups) more or less believe that Jesus did return, however he returned in an "invisible" returning in 70 AD, and that's why everybody missed it.

    The wording of Matthew, however, seems to contradict this belief. Matthew implies that if you were facing west- maybe toward where the sun just "set" an hour ago, and lightning strikes in the east, even miles behind your back, you can not help but see the entire sky light up. Likewise, Jesus is saying that his return will be so obvious and visible, that even if you weren't looking for it, you couldn't help but see it. Thus groups that have advocated an invisible "Second Coming" of Jesus do so in contradiction to what Jesus himself taught. The reason Jesus' return was not noticed in the First Century (or in 1914 if you're a JW) is not because it was invisible, but rather because it never happened.

    28 Wherever the dead body is, there will the vultures flock together.

    29 "But immediately after those times of distress the sun will be darkened, the moon will not shed her light, the stars will fall from the firmament, and the forces which control the heavens will be disordered and disturbed.

    Immediately = First Century

    Having already established that previous events were predicted to take place within the First Century, these remaining events, (i.e. the end of the universe as we know it) which were to immediately follow, would also have to be within the First Century as well. As for stars falling off the firmament, please check out my web site:
    The Universe According To The Bible

    30 Then will appear the Sign of the Son of Man in the sky; and then will all the nations of the earth lament, when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with great power and glory.

    "Immediately…Then" = First Century

    Next, a "sign" is said to appear in the sky, following all the other sky disturbances mentioned above. The use of the "then's" implies a fast-paced sequence which does not allow for any theorized thousand-year "gaps": "Then will appear the Sign…then will all nations lament". Thus, once again, the era is locked into the First Century.

    Also, the "Son of Man" theme is the same as in all the other 2 nd Coming texts, texts whose fulfillment were likewise promised within the lifetime of the First Century hearers.

    31 And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet-blast, and they will bring together His own People to Him from north, south, east and west--from one extremity of the world to the other.

    Yet Another Problem for the Preterist View

    As the Preterists try to explain how Jesus returned invisibly in the First Century, they also need to explain how this verse was fulfilled without anyone noticing. How do you hide a worldwide infestation of billions of angels fluttering about in the sky while blowing horns at maximum volume? The preterists "answer" this via a common Christian dodge- they hide behind figurative language.

    32 "Now learn from the fig-tree the lesson it teaches. As soon as its branches have now become soft and it is bursting into leaf, you all know that summer is near.

    33 So you also, when you see all these signs, may be sure that He is near--at your very door.

    "When YOU See" = First Century Apostles

    Jesus tells his Apostles "when you see all these signs". Not "if" or "maybe" but when. Jesus was thus guaranteeing them that all these signs would take place within their lifetime, including the Second Coming.

    Likewise note the reference to knowing summer is near if spring is already in bloom- yet another indication of a very short time span being predicted. It doesn't require long convoluted theoretical theology about this being a "prediction" of Israel being reborn in 1948- the simplest explanation is usually best- Jesus was due to come in a short time, from THEIR perspective.

    "At Your Very Door" = First Century

    The phrase "He is near--at your very door" implies a few things. First, it implies the very next step will bring Jesus through the door. Second, whose "door" was he near? The Apostle's "door".

    34 I tell you in solemn truth that the present generation will certainly not pass away without all these things having first taken place.

    "The Present Generation" = First Century

    There is much more to be said about verse 34 and its key word "generation." For now, let me point out that this 34 th verse does not exist in a vacuum; it is the culmination of the last several verses, indeed, the whole chapter, all time references, and all of which lead up a specific point in time: Jesus' Second Coming, and THAT within their (not YOUR) lifetime. The context allows no other interpretation. For a LOT more information on verse 34, see my essay: Mt 24-34 What The Scholars Say

    Another sure sign that Jesus was speaking of his return happening within the lifetime of the people back then listening to him speak are the words, here translated "the present" which precede the word "generation". The Greek for this is

    which, according to Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon, means "this one visibly present here" which 100% locks the promise of the Second Coming to occur within the lifetime of the Apostles who were "visibly present here" listening to Jesus mouth the words. The Second Coming was not to occur within any other era other than that back then.

    "Trust Me, I'm Not Lying"

    Jesus precedes the prophecy with "I tell you in solemn truth" and follows it in verse #35 with a claim that his words would outlast even the Universe. These facts should be a major hint this prophecy was an extremely important issue for him, and he wanted to be dead sure that nobody misunderstood him. In his own mind, even though he sincerely believed that he'd be back within that century, he was sincerely wrong. He did not, within the lifetime of that generation, return in the clouds, in the glory of Biblegod, with hordes of angels, with trumpets blowing. His prophecy turned out to be false, and that makes him a false prophet.

    "All These Things" = Complete Package

    Jesus says emphatically that "all these things" would happen before his then current generation had passed away. Jesus presents the entire package as a "take it or leave it" situation, picking and choosing not allowed. Some Christian "explanations" of this verse have attempted to slice & dice the 24th chapter into "some for back then, some for now, and maybe… some for the future". This fragmenting of the chapter is not allowed by Jesus' clear statement "all these things". ANY Christian theory that tries to explain away this "problem chapter" has to treat the chapter as a whole, and explain how all of it happened or didn't happen. Of course, since the date for the destruction (v. 2) of the Jewish temple is firmly established in history at 70 AD, and everything in this chapter is promised within a short time frame, this entire chapter is thus locked into the First Century, from which it can not escape.

    35 Earth and sky will pass away, but it is certain that my words will not pass away.

    36 "But as to that day and the exact time no one knows--not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.

    Within Certain Limits ¹ Exact "Day & Time"

    Some have quibbled in the best Clintonian tradition that Jesus' no-show can't be objected to because Jesus said no one knows the exact day & time. The exact day & time Jesus never gave, but I bet if he had, the Christians would invent an excuse for that blooper, too.

    Jesus didn't give the exact year, or month, or day, or hour, or minute- but so what? He gave limits- time limits, an "expiration date" if you will, beyond which, if he hadn't returned by then, he would become a FALSE PROPHET. He himself said he'd be back before that generation died off, therefore within the lifetime of his Apostles. As to the exact millisecond within that generational limit that he was due back, it doesn't matter. What matters is that his "expiration date" long since expired. Christians should deal with that LOG in their theological eye, and ignore the splinter as to what exact second within that time frame he was due.

    37 `For as it was in the time of Noah, so it will be at the Coming of the Son of Man.

    38 At that time, before the Deluge, men were busy eating and drinking, taking wives or giving them, up to the very day when Noah entered the Ark,

    39 nor did they realise any danger till the Deluge came and swept them all away; so will it be at the Coming of the Son of Man.

    Noah's Flood Was Within Noah's Generation

    The flood that "Noah" warned everyone about was due within "Noah's" generation, not 10,000 years later. Jesus promised his Apostles that, as it was with "Noah", so also with the Second Coming. Therefore, the Second Coming was due within their lifetime.

    NOTE: Some may have noticed that the spelling within the New Testament being quoted (Weymouth's Version) may differ from common usage. I noticed it too, but what should I do- correct it, or leave it as it is? I decided to leave it alone.

    40 Then will two men be in the open country: one will be taken away, and one left behind.

    41 Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken away, and one left behind.

    42 Be on the alert therefore, for you do not know the day on which your Lord is coming.

    43 But of this be assured, that if the master of the house had known the hour at which the robber was coming, he would have kept awake, and not have allowed his house to be broken into.

    Keep Awake = Within Their Lifetime

    If the burglar who was going to rob the house wasn't even due until centuries after both house and owner had dissolved into dust, Jesus' advice to to the home owner (i.e. his Apostles) to "keep awake" is total and complete nonsense. Therefore, Jesus must have believed his Second Coming would occur within their lifetime.

    44 Therefore you also must be ready; for it is at a time when you do not expect Him that the Son of Man will come.

    "Be Ready" = Within Their Lifetime

    It has been more than 1,970 years since Jesus sounded the alarm warning his Apostles (not you, bozo) about his Second Coming. Looking back with hindsight, him getting his Apostles all worked up about this event makes no sense at all, unless he himself expected to be back within their lifetime. One does not pull a fire alarm thousands of years in advance of the fire.

    And for those who think Jesus was NOT specifically limiting this statement to his Apostles, then WHY does he tell THEM to be ready for the Second Coming??? IF what Jesus was referring to was NOT to take place until 50 billion trillion years later, WHY IN HELL WOULD JESUS BE TELLING THEM of the First Century to "be ready"???? The ONLY way this whole chapter makes sense is Jesus expecting and predicting his Second Coming in the First Century.

    45 "Who therefore is the loyal and intelligent servant to whom his master has entrusted the control of his household to give them their rations at the appointed time?

    Within Peter's Lifetime

    "Who is the loyal and intelligent servant"??? Peter, that's who, as recorded earlier in this same book of Matthew, 16:18,19

    … you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church... And I will give to you the keys of the kingdom of Heaven.

    If the fulfillment of the Second Coming prophecy was not due until centuries after Peter's death, pray tell who is NOW the one the "master has entrusted the control of his household" of faith to???? Who is the one living today who's been appointed to "give them their rations at the appointed time"??? Who is NOW, Mr. & Mrs. Protestant, holding the keys??? You see what a tangled web you Bible thumpers have weaved, when at first you've practiced to deceive people about this chapter???

    46 Blessed is that servant whom his master when he comes shall find so doing!

    Within Peter's Lifetime

    Jesus, in this story, tells of a departing master (i.e. Jesus) who puts a slave (i.e. Peter) in charge of the household until his return. In the story, the master returns within (not ten thousand years AFTER) the lifetime of the slave put in charge.

    Jesus (as seen previously) put Peter in charge of the household of faith until Jesus should have returned. Therefore Jesus, like the master in the story, expected to be back within Peter's lifetime. If Jesus was NOT going to have returned within Peter's lifetime, Jesus would have made arrangements for NEW "slaves" to watch over his household until if and when he DID come back. To imply otherwise is to say that Jesus was a deadbeat dad, who just walked out on his family, abandoned them, without a second thought as to their welfare or who would be taking care of them.

    The fact that Christianity, after the death of the Apostles, has been torn asunder time & again over the issue of "who's in charge here?" is proof that Jesus really was a deadbeat dad who orphaned his kids. Jesus neither returned when he promised his kids he would, nor did he clearly provide someone to watch over his kids in the meantime until he did return. (As for the knee-jerk response of "That's what the Holy Ghost is for", this "ghost" must have been asleep all this time, as it allowed thousands of Christian splinter groups to develop, all over this very issue of "who's in charge here."

    47 In solemn truth I tell you that he will give him the management of all his wealth.

    48 But if the man, being a bad servant, should say in his heart, `My master is a long time in coming,'

    But It HAS Been A Long Time!!!

    Jesus here condemns as a "bad servant" he who says Jesus' return has been "a long time in coming". Yet to say anything else in our era, is evidence of total and complete blindness to the passage of almost 2,000 (TWO THOUSAND!!!!!) years. The simple and undeniable fact is that his return HAS been "a long time in coming" and no amount of theological bullshit by Jesus or anyone else can change that FACT into a fiction. And every century that follows, Christians have to answer anew why their master has been a long time in coming. How many more centuries have to go by, before Christianity will admit the obvious? What's the limit? Will Christians admit that Jesus screwed up after ten thousand years? Ten million? Ten BILLION??? How about while the sun is going super nova and the whole universe is on its last legs of dying from heat death- will Christians THEN at least admit their Jesus messed up??? Probably not- Christians HATE to admit it when they're wrong.

    Even a New Testament writer- disguising himself as the Apostle Peter, felt obligated to throw in his two cents on why their master seems to have orphaned them. He wrote that a short time is really a long time as long as you're not the one telling time (2 nd Peter 3:8). I think he also sold used chariots on the side.

    Modern Christians, via 2,000 years of disappointments, have been forced into becoming "bad servants;" for the return of Jesus has indeed been "a long time in coming". They themselves stand condemned by their own god when they point out his "delay" in returning. But it's not their fault- it's his- he never came back!!! He abandoned his kids. He walked out on them and left them orphans, and now they delude themselves into thinking daddy's really coming home after all. Umpteen years ago, their daddy walked out to the corner liquor store to buy a gallon of milk, and he never came back. Thousands of years later these kids- now old and aged, still wait by the front door like dogs for their missing master, barking in excitement at every passing noise.

    49 and should begin to beat his fellow servants, while he eats and drinks with drunkards;

    50 the master of that servant will arrive on a day when he is not expecting him and at an hour of which he has not been informed;

    51 he will treat him with the utmost severity and assign him a place among the hypocrites: there will be the weeping and the gnashing of teeth.

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    My Final Comments on

    Matthew 24

    Some have suggested that there are two or three separate questions in verse #3 concerning future events, and therefore somehow because of this, the timing of these events may be thousands of years apart. To me, this seems like yet another attempt to "save the savior" from being the false prophet that he clearly has been documented to be.

    Regardless of how many questions may have been originally asked by the Apostles at the beginning of the 24 th chapter of Matthew, the man answering the questions was very explicit in that everything in this narrative would be fulfilled within a short time span, and certainly not to extend past the First Century THOUSANDS of years!!!

    The following are clues that Jesus gave that indicate a short, rather than long, time span.

    • "Before long" the Apostles would hear of war rumors. (v. 6)

      • “Before long” comes from the Greek word "mello" which means to be on the point of doing or suffering something, on the verge of, like a car teetering on the edge of a cliff.

    • " The early pains of childbirth " (v. 8)

      • This is another phrase that indicates there is not much time left till all these things are supposed to take place. Pregnancy is, at most, a NINE month affair.

    • " Those who stand firm to the End" (v. 13)

      • This indicates that "The End" will be something these Apostles can reasonably hope to "stand firm to" long enough to see, i.e., within their lifetime. One can't "stand firm" to an end millions or billions of years distant, such as "stand firm until the sun goes super-nova".

    • " But immediately after those times of distress…" (v. 29)

      • This phrase certainly doesn't grant much time between the end of one event, and the start of the next.

    • " Then will appear the Sign of the Son of Man…" (v. 30)
      • This is the very next step past the "immediately" of the preceding verse. Again, no room for thousands of years of delays.
    • " So you also, when you see all these signs, you may be sure that He is near--at your very door.." (v. 33)
      • Now Jesus is telling his First Century Apostles that when they've seen all the signs described, the Second Coming will be just around the corner- "at your very door," which implies that the very next step in the sequence will bring him through the doorway. Again, another lock-in for the First Century era, and another lock-OUT of the theory that there may be millions of years involved.
    • " I tell you in solemn truth that the present generation will certainly not pass away without all these things having first taken place." (v. 34)
      • As if I needed any more evidence to show that this entire scenario is locked up into a First Century time frame, along comes Jesus to drive the killing nail into the theory that any other era besides the First Century could be possible. Regardless of how many questions were asked by the Apostles, "ALL these things" in regard to the questions asked are predicted to take place before that present generation of then-living First Century men died off. Again, EVERY SINGLE THING mentioned within Matthew 24- ALL these things- are predicted to be fulfilled BEFORE that current generation then living have died off.
    • " But if the man, being a bad servant, should say in his heart, `My master is a long time in coming,'" (v. 48)
      • This cinches the argument that whatever questions may have been asked regarding their future, the answers were all due within the First Century. The fulfillment of the predictions, according to Jesus, would not be "a long time in coming."

    C ONCLUSIO N

    Jesus prophesied all of the following within the 24th chapter of Matthew}

    • The End of the World
    • The Gathering Up of the Saints
    • Judgment Day
    • The Glorious "Second Coming"

    Jesus specifically prophesied that all of the above events would take place before the end of the First Century, as indicated by his specifying the time limits being the lifetime of the people who heard him live back in 33 CE. These prophesied events did not take place in the time span laid down by Jesus himself. Therefore, the only logical and reasonable conclusion to be drawn is this: Regardless of anything else you may currently believe about Jesus, and regardless of how much you may currently love Jesus, nevertheless Jesus was as much a

    F ALSE PROPHET

    as anybody else who makes false prophecies about the future. To conclude anything else is to be self-deceived and dishonest.


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  • RU Saved
    RU Saved

    Doesn't "US and You" refer to the gentiles and jews, not individuals? Why would he come to die for our sins and then the end of the world would follow right after (within 50 years of so)? How would everyone around the world here the gospel within such a short period of time?

  • Nate Merit
    Nate Merit

    Can you READ? Mark Smith wrote this. You can email him at [email protected]

    Obviously, you didnt even read the article, or if you did you lack the intelligence to understand. Most of the article was taken up with SHOWING you FROM THE BIBLE, in CONTEXT, who the "you" was referring to. Get some gray matter.

    Nate

  • Shining One
    Shining One

    Hi Nate,
    Mark started off so well and ended so badly because he doesn't understand the application of apocalyptic language. Matthew 24 has nothing to do with the second coming of Christ.
    "29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
    30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
    31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."
    This was all apocalyptic language and was the prediction of Jerusalem's demise and the retribution delivered on all of Israel by the Romans for their revolt. This is the classic use of 'exaggeration in hyperbole', just as you will find in Daniel, Exekiel and The Apocalypse. This is not at all a series of events to be taken as literal in substance. It is divine judgement!
    Full preterists do not believe that Christ will return in any literal sense and they are heretical in their beliefs:
    http://www.preterism-eschatology.com/Preterism%20Topics.htm
    Partial preterists believe that the events have already occurred that are related to us here and in the Apocalypse yet Christ will return at some future date:
    http://www.preterism-eschatology.com/Partial%20Preterism.htm
    This is all related to 'Covenant Theology':
    http://www.preterism-eschatology.com/Introduction%20to%20Covenant%20Eschatology.htm
    You know, Nate. I can understand you wanting to promote the books by friends of yours. I just cannot understand you wanting to be associated with literature that stops short of in depth research in order to 'prove' that scripture is unreliable or that prophecy has not been or is not being fulfilled. What good is it to clear your mind (as much as anyone can) of presuppositions just to replace them with new ones? The goal is scriptural exegesis is to let scripture interpret itself and arrive at valid conclusions, with the caveat that there are some facets that are unexplainable. If you start off trying to prove your view of things instead of getting at the truth of the matter then you end up with bogus conclusions.
    Rex

  • Leolaia
    Leolaia
    Matthew 24 has nothing to do with the second coming of Christ.

    And yet v. 30 states that "they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory," with the angels gathering up the elect, and Matthew 25:31-32 describes much the same thing (i.e "when the Son of Man comes in glory"), culminating in the judgment of those classed as righteous and those classed as wicked, with the punishments being meted out to the latter (v. 34-46), that is to say, Judgment Day, which Matthew earlier alluded to a number of times (10:15, 11:22-24, 12:36, 41-42). Compare 16:27: "The Son of Man is going to come in his Father's glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what he has done". Premillenialist expectations of the second coming also place eschatological judgment with the coming, and this is the scenario in many apocalyptic works at the time the NT was written (cf. 1 Enoch, 4 Ezra, among others).

    This is the classic use of 'exaggeration in hyperbole', just as you will find in Daniel, Exekiel and The Apocalypse. This is not at all a series of events to be taken as literal in substance. It is divine judgement!

    But the judgment described in these texts is not divine punishment on a city or a religion, but the final judgment of everyone (including those dead, hence the references to Sodom and Gomorrah) with eternal punishment and eternal bliss awarded accordingly. Thus "all the nations will mourn" when this occurs (24:30). Preterism is flawed for considering such a judgment as already having occurred, but such an event as part of the "end of the world" (24:3) is indeed discussed in ch. 24, as any scholarly analysis of Matthew's eschatology will maintain.

  • VM44
    VM44

    Here is something I found on the net:

    "And there was a silence that was broken by Matthew, 'When, Master,
    when shall these conditions overtake the earth?' "That," answered
    Jesus, "is not known even by myself. Neither is it known by THE
    AMBASSADORS FROM THE OTHER UNIVERSES.
    It will be governed entirely by
    the conditions produced by the noise of the machinery of war, and the
    vibrations from the thoughts of evil-minded mortals. No one knows the
    day or the hour, but the calamity will come without warning, even as a
    thief in the night."
    (Matthew 24:29-30 Translation: Charles Lathrup Warn, Greek Codex
    Sinaiticus)

    "Ambassadors from the other universes"? --VM44

    alt

  • myelaine
    myelaine

    For the word of God IS living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

    And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account. (Hebrews 4:12-13)

    All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. (Matthew 25-32)

    love michelle

  • Nate Merit
    Nate Merit

    Hi Rex

    Why not email Mark? I posted this for him, not myself. He's been wanting feedback on this essay.

    [email protected]

    Nate

  • Nate Merit
    Nate Merit

    Rex, you're a thoroughly unchristlike character. I realize that Christ, in your view, was arrogant, abusive, bigoted, overbearing, narrow minded, and filled to bursting with hubris like a ding dong is squirted full of icing. Many of us think you're mistaken, and that the Christ you worship is simply a projection of your own self. Call us crazy, but hey, we come by the opinion honestly.

    I posted this essay (not book) because Mark is my best bud of 32 years standing, and he wants some feedback. .

    Why not email Mark at [email protected] ?

    Mark doesn't bite unless you do, same as me. However, if you're looking for an ass-whupping, Mark will be happy to oblige.

    Nate

  • Nate Merit
    Nate Merit

    Hi VM

    Wow, that's wild. I like it! A bit of a stretch linguistically, but very cool regardless.

    Why not send your response to Mark? You may even get it posted on his site. Dummy up a hotmail or yahoo account if you're concerned with anonymity.

    [email protected]

    Have a good week,
    Nate

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