SERVICE REPORT 2005 : WATCHTOWER FEB 1ST 2006

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  David2002

  AuldSold:

  So, David2002, when was the last time you preached in a Temple? Was it because you were unwelcome? I have been invited to speak at many Churches while I was out in the door-to-door work, but always declined to do so. Do you know why I declined? Not because of a lack of welcome...how about you David2002, why would you decline?

  Would it be because of the stigma attached by this organization to the buildings where "false religious" practices are carried out? Was not the same true of temples and synagogues after Christ died, were they not false religious institutions?

  I was never invited to speak at a church. Well maybe...Once when I visited Houston, TX, I was invited into a home, in which a small group of Pentecostals held a Bible study group. I was somewhat surprise that they let me in (very few Pentecostals in NYC listen to the Witnesses). I spoke about the paradise earth, something they have never appear to hear of. The group of about 4 opened their Bibles and listen to what I had to say. A brother from Texas told 2 of them eventually began to study with the Witnesses.

  I do know of a Bethelite that was once invited by someone to speak at her church, because she liked what she heard. But he told he decided to decline because of the church's association with Babylon the Great. But a special pioneer from Venezuela alluded to the fact, that at first Witnesses missionary would sometimes go to churches to show a movie explaining the teaching of Jehovah's Witnesess. Many interested individuals would accept Bible studies. However, once the churches refused to listen to the truth, the Witnesses were no longer welcomed. Similar to what happened to the early apostles, which is why they eventually just meant at homes or other public places to study the Word.

  And you also failed to explain why PUBLICATIONS from a manmade Corporation are distributed as part of preaching and teaching. The early disciples used only the Scriptures, I don't know any Witness who could teach all JW dogma with only the Scriptures, do you?

  The books, pamphlets and leaflets are just a means of communication the good news. I don't see anything wrong with them. The good news was to preached worldwide and the printed word and other means is a way of preaching the word of God. There have been occassions in which some people wanted to study using the Bible only. I know of a former Pentecostal who started studying that way (he was told by his pastor the WT literature was demonized). But he had deep respect for the Bible, and noticed, that for every question or topic he was interested, the Witnesses used the Bible as the authority. The literature is a means of communication the good news which has to proclaimed throughout the world before the end comes. (Matt. 24:14; Matt. 28:18-20)

  -David2002
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  David2002

  OzziePost,

  Well done, David! ;(re the charity, I mean!) Are you sure you're not an official spokesman? Those words appear awfully like a Service Department letter.

  Thank you for your compliments. No, I am not JR Brown, or any other official spokesman. Those letters, explaining the policy, was read to the congregations about 2 years ago. So all Jehovah's Christian Witnesses are aware of it.

  --David2002
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  IronClaw

  David2002, The good news the WTS preaches is not the same good news the Apostles preached. The Apostles preached: Christ came, died and got ressurected. The WTS with all their literature and nice pics of lions and lambs having a drink together at the local pub are two different things.The apostles never preached about a paradise earth.
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  AuldSoul

  "the good news"

  Okay. The printed publications spread the good news. That seems very much UNLIKE what the 1st Century disciples did to spread the good news.

  the Witnesses used the Bible as the authority.

  I don't think the experience you relate was a recent one. I doubt anyone other than an elder was the conductor. And most Jehovah's Witnesses would be incapable of conducting a study with only the Bible as there authority. I do hope you won't deny the truth of that statement. Most of them don't even study their Watchtower article for the week, much less do the Bible reading.

  But, if you feel capable of teaching Witness doctrine using only the Bible as the authority, I would appreciate it if you would consider doing that with me on a few points. I will start another thread, and you can choose whether or not to demonstrate the Scriptural basis for the doctrines.

  Respectfully,
  AuldSoul
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  David2002

  OzziePost,

  How the [bleep] will it help a person who's dying of hunger and disease to show them the Watchtower and tell them that they should have a hope?

  Well there hope of the New World where there will be no hunger or disease gives them hope. If instance, if someone is confined to a wheel chair, it is certainly good news for them that someday, in the New Age to Come, he or she will be healed and able to walk again. For those who may suffer from hunger, surely it is good news to hear that one time they will no longer have to worry about food in their bellies. Christians can also help, in the meantime, by feeding them and training them in farm techniques, which helps in the long run.

  David2002
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  David2002

  Sunspot,

  We are well aware of the "favorable news reports" by the secular press, and what makes them so newsworthy is the fact that the neither the JWs (on their own) nor the WTS (as an organization) are regularly on the scene in any disaster.

  Do you know that your loving brotherhood went to Homestead, FL during hurricane Andrew, loaded with supplies to rebuild homes (primarily FOR other JWs of course) and having some leftover materials they fixed up a few homes around the JWs residences..........and SENT THEM ITEMIZED BILLS AFTER THE FACT?????
  
  

  Can't YOU feel the love?

  During hurricane Katrina and the surviving victims of that and the "Dome" disaster where the people were then sent to Houston....the WTS had gone back into the infamous "we gotta be so careful who we help" mode and were "screening" individuals as to their STANDING WITHIN THE JW COMMUNITY before stamping or NOT stamping them with their golden seal of approval!

  Can't you FEEL THE LOVE?

  If this is what the WTS feels is what Jesus was referring to, or what the account of the Good Samaritan signifies......you AND your haughty fellow JWs have a good deal to LEARN about HIM.....and the meaning of "selfless giving", NOT out of the WT$$$$$$ or even personal surplus, but from the HEART. The lofty WTS is KNOWN for and has a LONG history of....being scarce during any disaster since it began as a "religion".

  WE don't see the love.

  Would please stop making up stories and being so hostile!!! The fact is the secular press and even some TV news reports and other historical documents tell a completely different story that what you're claiming. I know several brothers and sisters who have worked so hard helping their brothers and fellowmen. It is their labor of love. I really can't believe that when Witnesses do good out of the GENUINE love for their neighbor, someone like you, accuses them of having bad motives!!!

  David2002
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  AK - Jeff

  Well there hope of the New World where there will be no hunger or disease gives them hope.

  So, when witnesses were telling this 'good news' to those who lived in 1920 - to the 'millions now living who will never die' - did it give them true hope. Nope. I think they all died. Perhaps of the hunger or disease you mention, or perhaps of old age that they were told would not come upon them.

  For those who may suffer from hunger, surely it is good news to hear that one time they will no longer have to worry about food in their bellies. Christians can also help, in the meantime, by feeding them and training them in farm techniques, which helps in the long run.

  How true. If they live through the current crisis! If they are expecting Jehovah's witnesses to feed them, they will be long gone from that hunger before that happens.

  Jeff
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  Sunspot

  ***I was somewhat surprise that they let me in (very few Pentecostals in NYC listen to the Witnesses). I spoke about the paradise earth, something they have never appear to hear of.

  Thinking logically, IF the 1st Century Christians (and/or Jesus himself) HAD spoken of this paradise EARTH.....doesn't it seem sensible that someone would have held on to this theory and preached it before the WTS came on the scene?

  ***The group of about 4 opened their Bibles and listen to what I had to say. A brother from Texas told 2 of them eventually began to study with the Witnesses.

  I began a study with the JWs for much the same reason....not knowing, of course, that this wasn't what Jesus taught. The fact that people "study" WTS Theology is not proof that it, or they, are correct. It only means they are being taught what the WTS' erroneous beliefs are.
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  Sunspot

  Would please stop making up stories and being so hostile!!! The fact is the secular press and even some TV news reports and other historical documents tell a completely different story that what you're claiming. I know several brothers and sisters who have worked so hard helping their brothers and fellowmen. It is their labor of love. I really can't believe that when Witnesses do good out of the GENUINE love for their neighbor, someone like you, accuses them of having bad motives!!!

  STORIES???? Where did I tell "stories"? I call'em as I see'em. I as completely truthful as I possibly can be, unlike your Society which covers up the bad and glorifies what they "should have been doing" in the first place. (according to the scriptures) Would you care to SHOW US "all" the "good" done to those other than JWs anywhere on earth? It will be a very short list---IF you can find one, that is.

  Do you think that the nonJW folks in Homestead FL would verfy what I have said? Would you CARE to see how many victims of Katrina were turned away from WTS help because they were inactive yet in "good" standing in their KHs? Would you CARE?

  It seems not.....you are here to defend the atrocities and sins of the WTS that "didn't please Jehovah" but are a disgrace to him. Do I come off as hostile and bitter? You'd better believe it. I won't hide it as I have every right to feel this way.

  Your "wonderful organization of love" wrecked my family long before I even left it due to the lies I was convinced were "truth" and for following MEN that cannot BRING salvation at all. I dutifully followed ALL the stupid man-made rulez & regz that were conjured up to prevent JWs and exJWs to speak to one another for the protection.....FOR THE ORGANIZATION.

  When you experience a thirty-year period where your family no longer has anything to DO with the rest of the family, and children are hurt beyond understanding because they can't go and visit different ones any more, or go to see new babies that are born to their cousins etc, and people DIE never forgiving the others.....THEN you can tell me how "hostile" I should sound.

  I hate the WT for all it's lies but I don't hate the individual JWs. I DO get extremely exasperated, upset and angry when they defend and praise the evil and corrupt WTS......
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  Gary1914

  David2002 wrote:

  Sometimes for instance, a drug addicted or alchoholic, is trying to better their lives. They go to therapy. But still that does not really help........

  David, we are all individuals and as such we respond to different methods. Some people with addictions respond to AA or psychiatry. Yes, some even respond to therapy. Some respond to a religion and some respond to Jehovah's Witnesses. Not all, Not most, just some.

  It has always been curious to me why witnesses think that just because some people respond to their message and straighten out their lives, they use this to proclaim that ALL persons with problems respond to the witnesses. This is just not true.