Attacking the elders, can that bring down the cult??

by Crazyguy 29 Replies latest watchtower scandals

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  Crazyguy

  The Borg has left out in the cold the victims of child molesters all to save their reputation and have used the elders to do their bidding in these evil works. They have even made changes to their policies to put more of the responsibility on the elders. So if the lawyers of these molestation victims which normally go after the money ie the Borg were to also aggressively go after these elders in these cases could this not start a ripple effect where by elders find out and start resigning en mass to protect themselves knowing the Borg not going to help them?

  Sure in one or two cases the elders would stay loyal but as the cases mount maybe the elders would get a clue? Just wondering, since going after its head may not work what about the tail?
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  The Searcher

  Once the Elders' wives calculate the risks of their husbands' glorified positions, the real bosses in the home will force many of their spineless husbands to quickly step down!

  Spineless?

  They were all lily-livered when they agreed to collaborate with their Brooklyn masters in the fleecing of their own congregations - and in keeping secret the other 3 pages of the orders they were given!!!

  A rat in a sewer has a greater conscience and more principles than them!
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  sowhatnow

  well x elders, chime in, what would bring you down?
  
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  Phizzy

  I think that would be great thing, but most Law Firms are interested in chasing the big money, so that they get a big fee. Chasing Elders who have little can take a lot of time and effort.

  I would like to see some Elders prosecuted for being Accessories After the Fact, or whatever the phrase is, for colluding in the Crime when they have not reported it straight away, or even covered it up.

  I think it is the business of the Police to do this.
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  DesirousOfChange

  Law Firms are interested in chasing the big money, so that they get a big fee.

  That is the strategy behind having all appointments made by the CO now vs the "GB" (as if they really did it). I seriously doubt if this is a guaranteed solution, because the WT is taking autonomy away from the individual Congs and is clearly moving into an even stronger hierarchical arrangement, much like the Catholic Church, thus helping to build the case that they have liability.

  Doc
  
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  flipper

  This has already started happening in at least one case I know of with the Candace Conti case. If I'm not mistaken a couple of the elders in that case WERE sued and the congregation I believe. I'm not sure of the particulars if it was the elders and the congregation or just the elders. But the elders were sued as well as the WT Society. So it's starting to happen. But as someone mentioned - the big bucks $$$$ will come from suing the monsters who create " elder monsters " by their faulty, criminal policies and that's the WT Society itself
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  Still Totally ADD

  I saw the writing on the wall about a year before I step down at the end of 2010. Even with the new arrangement of the CO's appointing elders and MS the Wt. is still open to being sued. Because they appointed the CO to represent the WT. It would still go back to them. What the Wt. needs to do is find a way to hide their money and claim they are broke. I think you will be seeing that happen in the near future. The elder arrangement is very faulty as flipper said. The men they appoint are very, very untrained to do what the Wt. wants them to do. Yes I know they have so called elder schools but sitting in a kingdom hall for two days every 2 years and listen to talks is not training. The only reason for these schools is to indoctrinate the elders into GB thinking. Brain washing at it's best. Again the Wt. still has some tricks up it sleeves to keep their money. Still Totally ADD
  
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  Phizzy

  " What the Wt. needs to do is find a way to hide their money and claim they are broke. I think you will be seeing that happen in the near future. "

  I wonder if that has not already happened to a great degree, their financial affairs are so opaque we will never know what has happened to the Millions of $$$ that have gone through their hands over the years.

  Could it be too, that they are in fact going for a model based on the R.C Church, and will claim that the C.O's carry out the function of a Bishop, "lay hands" upon the newly appointed Elders, and so it is the "Diocese" (Circuit) who are responsible to pay any damages awarded ? The Property Dealing Corporation thus being immune to financial loss, and the Circuit not having millions of $$$ to pay out, it is the victims who will suffer further, and the WT JW Org will keep its grubby hands on the Cash.
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  Magnum

  I have experience with child molestation cases, some admitted and some alleged and denied. I don't think being targeted by lawyers or even the police would have phased me. I would have viewed it as part of the overall suffering and hardship of being a JW. I think I would have just been willing to suffer like Paul, and it might have even strengthened my resolve. Sometimes opposition can strengthen the resolve of those being opposed.

  2Co 11:23-27 in labors more plentifully, in prisons more plentifully, in blows to an excess, in near-deaths often. 24 By Jews I five times received forty strokes less one, 25 three times I was beaten with rods, once I was stoned, three times I experienced shipwreck, a night and a day I have spent in the deep; 26 in journeys often, in dangers from rivers, in dangers from highwaymen, in dangers from [my own] race, in dangers from the nations, in dangers in the city, in dangers in the wilderness, in dangers at sea, in dangers among false brothers, 27 in labor and toil, in sleepless nights often, in hunger and thirst, in abstinence from food many times, in cold and nakedness.
  

  I had already given up everything and was suffering a lot for the sake of the Kingdom. Heck, coming under attack by the law might have even been a welcome distraction for me. I was miserable in my JW routine. It never ceased; I never got a break. Unlike some, I didn't enjoy getting up and delivering parts. I had two of the five elder positions (the two hardest), many meeting parts, convention and assembly parts (which I detested), appeal committees, nutty JWs calling me all the time, sane JWs calling me all the time with legitimate questions/issues. I was miserable. Some of you won't believe this or understand it, but there were times I actually wanted to go to jail just to get a break.

  Phizzy: most Law Firms are interested in chasing the big money, so that they get a big fee. Chasing Elders who have little can take a lot of time and effort

  I agree with that. They could only go after the elders who have enough to make it worth the effort for them. Maybe those elders would be tempted to resign.
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  _Morpheus

  Id also highlight the basic factors of quantiy and consequence.

  There are far too many elders to effectively spook the entire herd by picking off one or two or even twenty. You would have to hurt a thousand thousand to make a sizable enough impression on the whole group and there simply are not enough cases to male that sort of impression on the elder herd as a whole.

  On the other hand there are far far fewer GB members. Picking one or two of them and making them the focus of legal action could make an impression