This is something of intrest to all.So far many have learned that the "seven times" in Dan 4:25 had seemed to apply that the 2520 yrs from the date 607bc took us to the date 1914. Seeing now that conclusive evidence that the 607bc date is wrong and the date 587 or 586bc is the correct date, this puts the calulations out of wack. So who did the "seven times"apply to? Well, if the whole chapter 4 and verses 20+21 of chapter 5 is read, we can see that the "seven times" ONLY applied to Nebuchadnezzar himself- and no one else. Verse 25 of chapter 4 does say that the "seven times" will pass over "you" and "you yourself will be getting wet". So, how long was the "seven times". Reading verses 31 and 32 does state that the kingdom "has gone away from you" without him even realising it has allready happened. Then he went into the fields to eat like a bull. Then in verses 34+35 he started blessing the Most High, and in verse 36 the kingdom was returned back to him. By all this, seeing that there is no record as to when the kingdom was actually taken from Nebuchadnezzer- as even he did not realize it- there is no way of knowing how long the "seven times" was.
"seven times" in Daniel applied to whom?
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Slave1111
24 “There are seventy weeks that have been determined upon your people and upon your holy city, in order to terminate the transgression, and to finish off sin, and to make atonement for error, and to bring in righteousness for times indefinite, and to imprint a seal upon vision and prophet, and to anoint the Holy of Holies. 25 And you should know and have the insight from the going forth of word to restore and to rebuild Jerusalem until Mes·si´ah Leader, there will be seven weeks, also sixty-two weeks. She will return and be actually rebuilt, with a public square and moat, but in the straits of the times. 26 “And after the sixty-two weeks Mes·si´ah will be cut off, with nothing for himself. “And the city and the holy place the people of a leader that is coming will bring to their ruin. And the end of it will be by the flood. And until end there will be war; what is decided upon is desolations. 27 “And he must keep covenant in force for the many for one week; and at the half of the week he will cause sacrifice and gift offering to cease. “And upon the wing of disgusting things there will be the one causing desolation; and until an extermination, the very thing decided upon will go pouring out also upon the one lying desolate.”
The seventy weeks prophecy was given to Daniel, therefore to the chosen ones from the seed of Abraham, or of the Twelve Tribes of Israel who were taken into captivity. The Seventy Weeks can be calculated to the modern day by using Mathew 1:17 as a reference. Use 42 years as one generation in order to calculate if you care to. By the time you calculate this Jesus Christ will descend upon you asking you to put away the "Old scrolls" and prepare for the "New Scrolls".
17 All the generations, then, from Abraham until David were fourteen generations, and from David until the deportation to Babylon fourteen generations, and from the deportation to Babylon until the Christ fourteen generations.
The Holy Land has been brought to ruin by war, famine, earthquakes, and also by flood. Please compare the words of Jesus Christ, the King of the Jews, out of the book of Matthew. Jesus is not a humanly King of the Jews, but the King of the "New Jerusalem".
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AuldSoul
It only applied to Nebuchadrezzar (Nebuchadnezzar), one king of a nation.
To assert that Jesus reference to the "appointed times of the nations" is in any way connected to Daniel 4 is an extreme absurdity on the part of the Society. For one thing, Daniel 7 matches point for point what Jesus was talking about. For another, the "nations" were plural in Luke 21, and not even mentioned in Daniel 4.
The most concrete proof, however, is the parallel account in Mark 13:
Mark 13:32-37 — “Concerning that day or the hour nobody knows, neither the angels in heaven nor the Son, but the Father. Keep looking, keep awake, for YOU do not know when the appointed time is. It is like a man traveling abroad that left his house and gave the authority to his slaves, to each one his work, and commanded the doorkeeper to keep on the watch. Therefore keep on the watch, for YOU do not know when the master of the house is coming, whether late in the day or at midnight or at cockcrowing or early in the morning; in order that when he arrives suddenly, he does not find YOU sleeping. But what I say to YOU I say to all, Keep on the watch.”
If Jesus was foretelling that Daniel 4 had a second fulfillment some 2, 520 years after it was written, then he knew when the master was coming.
Respectfully,
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AuldSoul
Slave1111,
He asked about the "seven times" not the "seventy weeks."
AuldSoul
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Slave1111
If Jesus was foretelling that Daniel 4 had a second fulfillment some 2, 520 years after it was written, then he knew when the master was coming.
Respectfully,
AuldSoul24 “There are seventy weeks that have been determined upon your people and upon your holy city, in order to terminate the transgression, and to finish off sin, and to make atonement for error, and to bring in righteousness for times indefinite, and to imprint a seal upon vision and prophet, and to anoint the Holy of Holies.
To Terminate trangression means to put an end to it. This has not been fulfilled. Men are still acting wickedly and I am witness to this fact.
To finish off sin requires that Jehovah, the Almighty God take sovereignty in all the universe. This has not occured as man is still bringing the earth to ruin. I am witness to this fact.
To make atonement means that people must all repent. This has not occured and I am witness to this fact.
Therefore the seventy weeks prophecy has not been fulfilled in its entirety, amen.......
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Slave1111
Slave1111,
He asked about the "seven times" not the "seventy weeks."
AuldSoul
In order to understand the time of the seven weeks, you must reference the seventy weeks also. T.F.D.S.
33 At that moment the word itself was fulfilled upon Neb·u·chad·nez´zar, and from mankind he was being driven away, and vegetation he began to eat just like bulls, and with the dew of the heavens his own body got to be wet, until his very hair grew long just like eagles’ and his nails like birds’ .
27 “And he must keep covenant in force for the many for one week; and at the half of the week he will cause sacrifice and gift offering to cease. “And upon the wing of disgusting things there will be the one causing desolation; and until an extermination, the very thing decided upon will go pouring out also upon the one lying desolate.”
15 “Therefore, when YOU catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in a holy place, (let the reader use discernment,) 16 then let those in Ju·de´a begin fleeing to the mountains. 17 Let the man on the housetop not come down to take the goods out of his house;
There are lessor and greater fulfillments always. The Eagle represents the United States in war against those in the Holy land. The military jets with wings are the weapons that cause desolation.The Holy Ones fled to the mountains seeking shelter from the evil beast in the air and in the fields.
The people were seen on the housetops when the great Tsunami came and swept them all away in death. The fulfilment of prophecy is in the Middle East. Open your eyes and wait upon the Master Jehovah and the lessor Master Jesus Christ. Why do you still keep looking?
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LittleToe
To finish off sin requires that Jehovah, the Almighty God take sovereignty in all the universe.
Oh? That's interesting. When did he yield it?
Your doctrine is tainted with JWism...
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AuldSoul
LOL @ LittleToe
Methinks the Scotsman may be in high spirits , I caught him rising the back of his kilt as he argued Scripture with the toadstools up on the moors.
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Slave1111
To finish off sin requires that Jehovah, the Almighty God take sovereignty in all the universe.
In order to have complete sovereignty, ONE has to have dominion over ALL. This only occurrs when JAH proves that HE exists and removes all other leaders.......
Oh? That's interesting. When did he yield it?
Your doctrine is tainted with JWism...The Faithful Slave
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robhic
In order to have complete sovereignty, ONE has to have dominion over ALL. This only occurrs when JAH proves that HE exists and removes all other leaders.......
I think that would make most people's day. It's like "put up or shut up." Let him come back and prove that he exists in some way other than a rust-stain on some poor Mexican's water heater. C'mon, let's see some proof. Just a small thing that is truly verifiable and not just someone's interpretation. That would have impact.
So far, his record is a big, fat 0. What will it be and when can we expect it? We're all waiting...