Are we all reading the same bible?

apologetics

Hey

something that always jumps into my head about Jw, mormons , etc what is up with them??

are we reading the same bible? why do they need extra authoritys on Gods word..... on the limited knowledge I have of mormons & jw I gather they both have extra teachings that are critical to their Faith, such as watch tower and awake mag's and mormons with the extra stuff from that Joesph guy, Ive been reading up about watch tower etc, and its clearly bogus, one example with all the prophecy they have made, not being fulfilled etc (also the fact the bible tells us every word of God is flawless). it seems they take a light that gets brighter and brighter approach to it. i mean comon!

The more I read Gods word, I know its complete, its not missing certain things, (please dont start on dead sea scrolls or things of that nature) the thing is if they are reading the same stuff I am then how come all this extra stuff comes about......

im a little tired right now to dig it out , (I can if needed lol ) but scripture does say woe to anyone who adds or subtracts to the word of God. also that the lord is unchanging etc etc, i also just wana throw it out there, lol isnt watch tower etc considered additions to Gods words?

ive noticed the biggest missconceptions of Jesus come about when you add these extra teachings, they end up creating a Jesus that is not of the bible etc... if these guys were indeed prophets etc, they would have been mentioned in the bible & foretold thus we could obey their teachings etc, but that doesnt happen !!!

So how the heck can certain organisations, call themselves christians or followers of Jesus but not really know him , its such a deception.

quick "on the surface" example. mormons believe Jesus was the brother of the devil etc, and God had a wife etc. ......... does the bible teach these things? answer NO therefore the Jesus mormons preach/worship is not the Jesus of the bible , correct me if im wrong isnt this sorta stuff common sence??

If you want to really set your heart and life on the lord Jesus do so! read the bible, We dont need these extra false teachings floating around for as soon as you do that your asking for trouble.

Im sorry if I have offended anyone , Im just frustrated how people can claim they believe in the bible but then submit to extra added teachings etc ........

Ps ive been reading far to much about j dubs etc today. lol

cheers :P

SomeGeek

Woot! Can't correct you when your right!

tetrapod.sapien

hey apologetics,

The more I read Gods word, I know its complete, its not missing certain things, (please dont start on dead sea scrolls or things of that nature) the thing is if they are reading the same stuff I am then how come all this extra stuff comes about......

no, no i don't think we're reading the same book at all.

but to give you my answer: they say the same thing about you. that you are making up a whole bunch of extra stuff. i am not saying they're right, because i don't think either of you are, but just so you know, they say the same thing you are saying. they view you, like you view them. they make up whatever they want, picking and choosing what is literal and what is metaphorical, because you can do that with the bible. catch 22. roll the dice and play your hand. make up any reason why you understand the bible better than they do, and you'll be bang on with the people who agree with you. and they'll be bang on with the people they represent. and so go the days of our lives...

TS

greendawn

If someone wants to distort the Bible and see in it things that are not really there then they just go ahead and do it.

The motive is personal profit there are many that made a business out God's word and the JWs are included among these, they are a multi billion dollar corporation, and how did they make all this money? By exploiting their followers as unpaid salesmen of their publications (currently they get over a billion hours of free work per year) and by cajoling them into making money and property donations to the org.

DannyBloem

He,

Looks like you do not really know where you talking about.

1) There is a big differece in the extra "stuff" that the witnesses have versus the stuff that the mormons have. The Watchtower and awake are not consideren holy books, mere aids for understanding the bible better. Or well, at least not directly coming from God. The book of mormon is quite different.

2) The bible teachings the JW's have are not that much different from most other christian groups. THere is a lot of variety, because it is the bible itself who is just not clear about certain things, and to come to one understanding of the other yuo have to interprate. You do the same.
Even to which bible books are part of the bible and which is the exact text can be an enormous discussion.

The problem with the JW's isn't much the bible teachings at all. Maybe there are closer to the bible then a lot of other groups. It is about the organisation behind it.

apologetics

hey

hmmm dannybloem im 99.9 percent sure i mentioned I had limited knowledge on JW etc , So I dont make claim to know "what Im taking about" merely more of an opinion, consider it a ramble of thoughts even...... :P

the beef with the watch tower "bible aids" is this ...does anything that they mention, either A) conflict to what the bible teaches or B) introduce new teachings of sorts.... from what I have read they do...

**another thing is if we are using bible aids etc, we need to make sure nothing we learn or read from these "aids" superceeds that what is taught in the bible

tetrapod.sapien , you have a good point :P although that point is ONLY vaild in context to what is in the bible.. for if someone is using "bible aids" intrepretation (watchtower etc)or extra scriptures (mormon), The focus is drawn off the scriptures, and a outside influence is introduced.

The point im trying to make is :P lets just keep the bible in the hot seat, we dont need these strong outside 'aids' The bible is the be all end all, if you believe in it.

something to note though , where would JW be etc without watchtower society & awake? would their doctrine still be the same? would there intrepretation of the bible still be the same?? I think not....

For any ex-dubs who read this prehaps you could share why you left etc......

Im going to take a stab here and sugest the majority of (ex dubs) would have left for something that the "society" has said or done etc? opposed to something the bible in its entirety had said. Thats a good example why we shouldnt have outside influence...

God bless

LittleToe

The Mormons, JWs and the Protestant church all, at one time, supported their beliefs from the King James version of the bible.

The Mormons are honest enough to state that they elevate the book of Mormon above the KJV, and that they have their own "corrections" to the KJV, which they print in their version.

The WTS has also elevated it's publications over the KJV and has produced it's own version of the bible in support of some of those doctrines, leaving the KJV far behind.

The Protestant church (including denominations such as Baptists, Presbyterieans, etc.) have a wide variety of commentaries which they are clear are "subordinate" to the bible, but have also produced a wide range of versions of the bible. Some are actually closer to what can be ascertained as the original meaning of scripture than the KJV, but that's another story.

The bottom line, however, is that the bible is open to interpretation and those three groupings have all found their core doctrines within the pages of the KJV. There's plenty of extraneous stuff, but that came later.

DanTheMan

eh, i really wasn't on topic. nmind

DannyBloem

hmmm dannybloem im 99.9 percent sure i mentioned I had limited knowledge on JW etc , So I dont make claim to know "what Im taking about" merely more of an opinion, consider it a ramble of thoughts even...... :P

Sorry, maybe I was a bit too direct here.
The think they do not add anything to the bible. (but of course they do). The Watchtower are mere interpretation not additions
But so do all christain groups I think.

hard to compare it with the mormons though. The book of mormon is more then an interpretation, it is an official addition.

JamesThomas

correct me if im wrong isnt this sorta stuff common sence??

Sorry, but you ask. My feelings are that believing in a book that accredits the infinite expanse of all life and existence to a anthropomorphic, tribal war-god and his little boy, makes no sense at all; common, or otherwise.

j

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