The Wild Beast has both a Name & Number. Do you know what the NAME is? (page 9)

gumby

Schizm....get to sleep you bastard! What are ya...an insomniac fer cripes sake?

Gumby......stayin up simply to bug schizms ass

Schizm

Auldie........oh!............can I call you Auldie too?

It depends on how cozy you and him are with each other. I found that he likes to get real cozy, Gumlick, so you might give it a try.

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Jeffro

Schizm,

Your little theory is quite obviously wrong.

It is neither expressed or implied in scripture that the woman is subject to the beast. If either were to be seen as subject to the other, the beast would be subject to the woman, as she as seen as sitting on the beast.

"Babylon the great" (whether you want to capitalize it or not) is identified as the "mother of the harlots", and there is absolutely nothing to suggest that that title refers to the wild beast.

For reasons unclear, you are desperately trying to see a meaning which simply isn't there.

AuldSoul

Schizm,

Your error is present in your initial assumption about the name that is written in the woman's forehead. The name written is NOT "Babylon the Great" as you have suggested. It is a much longer name.

Revelation 17:5

(NIV)
This title was written on her forehead:
MYSTERY
BABYLON THE GREAT
THE MOTHER OF PROSTITUTES
AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

(NASB)
and on her forehead a name was written, a mystery, "BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH."

(AMP)
And on her forehead there was inscribed a name of mystery [with a secret symbolic meaning]: Babylon the great, the mother of prostitutes (idolatresses) and of the filth and atrocities and abominations of the earth.

(NLT)
A mysterious name was written on her forehead: "Babylon the Great, Mother of All Prostitutes and Obscenities in the World."

(KJV)
And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

(ASV)
and upon her forehead a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF THE HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

(YLT)
and upon her forehead was a name written: `Secret, Babylon the Great, the Mother of the Whores, and the Abominations of the earth.'

(DARBY)
and upon her forehead a name written, Mystery, great Babylon, the mother of the harlots, and of the abominations of the earth.

(WYC)
And a name written in the forehead of her [And in the forehead of her a name written], Mystery, Babylon the great, mother of fornications, and of abominations [and abominations] of the earth.

So, as I hope you can see, your assertion leads to but one conclusion—you believe the Beast is the mother of the harlots and the abominations of the earth. But I think you believe that applies to the woman, don't you? Your search should continue, you are blinding yourself with hasty certainty.

Note the lowercase "g" in the word "great" for many of the translations. Your original source text, the NWT, places the full title in quotes. You grabbed out of that title the part that made you feel imperious, and used it to make yourself appear a fool. That really is the exact model the WTS follows. You have learned well.

I can't tell you the name of the Wild Beast nor the significance of its number. But then, I didn't pretend to be able to, either.

AuldSoul

IronClaw

You seem to me to be the type person that won't be satisfied without a physical confrontation. Is THAT what you're looking for? Have you bloodied anybody's nose recently, AuldSoul?

Imagine that! A WT apologist getting physical. Just like your leaders who, If they had the chance would kill any who went against them, your only comeback to AuldSoul was this. I have been following this debate with much enjoyment until I saw this. Your true colors are shinning through. I love it when people play computer Rambo. I wonder if you talk like that at the doors when speaking with people? Be careful of what you ask for, cause some day you may get it.

Schizm

Schizm,
Your little theory is quite obviously wrong. -- Jeffro.

Even if my "little" theory were wrong, although it isn't, the world has to admit that I have a nack for causing people like you to demonstrate who they really were when claiming to be one of Jehovah's Witnesses. The fact is, Jeffro, you had an attitude such as this long before you decided to quit being a JW. Claiming to be something while hiding what you really is what is known as a "hypocrite".

It is neither expressed or implied in scripture that the woman is subject to the beast. If either were to be seen as subject to the other, the beast would be subject to the woman, as she as seen as sitting on the beast.

The harlot's servitude is in the form of rendering "worship" to the beast. She worships the beast by looking to it, rather than God, as being the supreme sovereign. And that's the reason she has the mark (the beast's name) imprinted on her forehead. Consistently, Revelation 14:9 says:

“If anyone worships the wild beast and its image, and receives a mark on his forehead or upon his hand ..... http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/105318/1833418/post.ashx#1833418

But even as with AuldSoul, I don't expect you to be impressed with anything I place before your eyes either. I do it because I like to show by example what it means to "give what is holy to dogs". (dogs = people who have no appreciation of spritual matters.)

"Babylon the great" (whether you want to capitalize it or not) is identified as the "mother of the harlots", and there is absolutely nothing to suggest that that title refers to the wild beast.

I'll deal with your objection here inside my reply to AuldSoul that I will make before the evening is out.

For reasons unclear, you are desperately trying to see a meaning which simply isn't there.

There are a LOT of things that prove to be "unclear" to you--a problem that you have nobody but yourself for which to blame.

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Schizm

You seem to me to be the type person that won't be satisfied without a physical confrontation. Is THAT what you're looking for? Have you bloodied anybody's nose recently, AuldSoul?
Imagine that! A WT apologist getting physical. Just like your leaders who, If they had the chance would kill any who went against them, your only comeback to AuldSoul was this. I have been following this debate with much enjoyment until I saw this. Your true colors are shinning through. I love it when people play computer Rambo. I wonder if you talk like that at the doors when speaking with people? Be careful of what you ask for, cause some day you may get it.

You read what you wanted to in that one, didn't you IronClaw! You have a nack for doing that, but "you're not the only one" (John Lennon) . I've observed the very same thing over and over again on this board as well as others. It obviously hasn't dawned on you that you're not making a favorable impression of yourself upon the minds of intelligent people who read your words the world over.

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AuldSoul

Schizm, from the bottom of my heart and before all on-lurkers...THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE!

If not you, and those few similar to you lurkers would not be able to detect the fallacy of WT-esque reasoning unless they believed what we say. You give them something silly to measure their own reasoning against. I am sure you have helped just as many as I have to wake up to the manipulation and abuse they are suffering under.

I don't respect you, because you are manipulative and abusive. But I do thank you for posting here.

AuldSoul.

Schizm

Schizm,
Your error is present in your initial assumption about the name that is written in the woman's forehead. The name written is NOT "Babylon the Great" as you have suggested. It is a much longer name. -- AuldSoul.

Aldie makes reference to Revelation 17:5, which according to the KJV states:

5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF THE HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.”

Anybody with half a brain should be able to see that there's something desperately wrong with the translation of this verse.

The more correct way to have translated the verse would be something like this:

5 And upon her forehead (the mother of the harlots and of the disgusting things of the earth), was written a name, a mystery: “Babylon the Great.”

In concluding his ridiculous post, Little Auldie said:

I can't tell you the name of the Wild Beast nor the significance of its number. But then, I didn't pretend to be able to, either.
AuldSoul

Which makes Schizm LMAO!

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AuldSoul

The more correct way to have translated the verse would be something like this:

Statement is not proof. You and scholar share the same disease, apparently. Prove that your translation is more correct.

AuldSoul

The Wild Beast has both a Name & Number. Do you know what the NAME is?

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