Littlemike asked: Which book is the Appolo quote from. KJ is which book I honestly dont remember that.LM, it's from w72 10/1 p. 586 Do You Look to Science for a Better World? and from: kj chap. 8 p. 157 Detestable Religious Things over Which to Sigh I believe kj is the "Know Jehovah" book that was published in 1971.
Stupid "Bible" Prophecies The Watchtower & "Slave" Fed Us
by minimus 49 Replies latest jw friends
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Mary
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stillajwexelder
most of the prophecies they spout in the Daniel book -there are just too many to mention
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stillajwexelder
*** dp chap. 9 pp. 135-136 Who Will Rule the World? ***
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Desiring to make certain concerning this "extraordinarily fearsome" beast, Daniel listened intently as the angel explained: "As for [its] ten horns, out of that kingdom there are ten kings that will rise up; and still another one will rise up after them, and he himself will be different from the first ones, and three kings he will humiliate." (Daniel 7:19, 20, 24) What were these "ten horns," or "ten kings"?
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As Rome became more affluent and increasingly decadent because of the licentious living of its ruling class, it diminished as a military power. In time, the decline of Rome’s military strength became clearly evident. The mighty empire eventually broke up into many kingdoms. Since the Bible often uses the number ten to denote completeness, the "ten horns" of the fourth beast represent all the kingdoms that resulted from Rome’s dissolution.—Compare Deuteronomy 4:13; Luke 15:8; 19:13, 16, 17.
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stillajwexelder
*** dp chap. 9 pp. 137-140 Who Will Rule the World? ***
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SMALL HORN GAINS THE ASCENDANCY20
"I kept on considering the horns," said Daniel, "and, look! another horn, a small one, came up in among them, and there were three of the first horns that were plucked up from before it." (Daniel 7:8) Concerning this outgrowth, the angel told Daniel: "Another one will rise up after them [the ten kings], and he himself will be different from the first ones, and three kings he will humiliate." (Daniel 7:24) Who is this king, when did he rise, and what three kings did he humiliate?
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Consider the following developments. In 55 B.C.E., Roman General Julius Caesar invaded Britannia but failed to establish a permanent settlement. In 43 C.E., Emperor Claudius began a more permanent conquest of southern Britain. Then, in 122 C.E., Emperor Hadrian began to build a wall from the Tyne River to the Solway Firth, marking the northern limit of the Roman Empire. Early in the fifth century, the Roman legions left the island. "In the sixteenth century," explained one historian, "England had been a second-rate power. Its wealth was slight compared with that of the Netherlands. Its population was much less than that of France. Its armed forces (including its navy) were inferior to Spain’s." Britain evidently was an insignificant kingdom then, making up the symbolic small horn of the fourth beast. But that was to change.
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In 1588, Philip II of Spain launched the Spanish Armada against Britain. This fleet of 130 ships, carrying more than 24,000 men, sailed up the English Channel, only to suffer defeat by the British navy and to fall victim to contrary winds and fierce Atlantic storms. This event "marked the decisive passing of naval superiority from Spain to England," said one historian. In the 17th century, the Dutch developed the world’s largest merchant marine. With growing overseas colonies, however, Britain prevailed over that kingdom. During the 18th century, the British and the French fought each other in North America and India, leading to the Treaty of Paris in 1763. This treaty, said author William B. Willcox, "recognized Britain’s new position as the predominant European power in the world beyond Europe." Britain’s supremacy was confirmed by the crushing victory over Napoléon of France in 1815 C.E. The "three kings" that Britain thus ‘humiliated’ were Spain, the Netherlands, and France. (Daniel 7:24) As a result, Britain emerged as the world’s greatest colonial and commercial power. Yes, the "small" horn grew to become a world power!
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The angel told Daniel that the fourth beast, or fourth kingdom, would "devour all the earth." (Daniel 7:23) That proved true of the Roman province once known as Britannia. It eventually became the British Empire and ‘devoured all the earth.’ At one time, this empire embraced one fourth of the earth’s land surface and a fourth of its population.
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stillajwexelder
and the best of them all *** dp chap. 9 pp. 142-143 Who Will Rule the World? ***
"For three years and half a year." The same period is mentioned at Revelation 11:2-7, which states that God’s witnesses would preach dressed in sackcloth for 42 months, or 1,260 days, and then be killed. When did this time period begin and end?
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For the anointed Christians, World War I meant a time of testing. By the end of 1914, they were expecting persecution. In fact, the very yeartext chosen for 1915 was Jesus’ question to his disciples, "Are ye able to drink of my cup?" It was based on Matthew 20:22, King James Version. Hence, beginning in December 1914, that small band of witnesses preached "in sackcloth."30
As war fever took hold, the anointed Christians encountered mounting opposition. Some of them were imprisoned. Individuals, such as Frank Platt in England and Robert Clegg in Canada, were tortured by sadistic authorities. On February 12, 1918, the British Dominion of Canada banned the recently published seventh volume of Studies in the Scriptures, entitled The Finished Mystery, as well as the tracts entitled The Bible Students Monthly. The following month, the U.S. Department of Justice pronounced the distribution of the seventh volume illegal. The result? Why, homes were searched, literature was confiscated, and Jehovah’s worshipers were arrested!31
Harassment of God’s anointed ones climaxed on June 21, 1918, when the president, J. F. Rutherford, and prominent members of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society were sentenced on false charges to long prison terms. Intending "to change times and law," the "small" horn had effectively killed the organized preaching work. (Revelation 11:7) So the foretold period of "a time, and times and half a time" ended in June 1918.I mean have you ever heard such utter Horse----t?
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stillajwexelder
NO SORRY THIS IS THE MOST STUPID OF ALL
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dp chap. 10 pp. 177-179 Who Can Stand Against the Prince of Princes? ***"HOLY PLACE" BROUGHT INTO RIGHT CONDITION24
No one can stand up against the Prince of princes—not even a king as "fierce in countenance" as the Anglo-American World Power! This king’s attempts to desolate God’s sanctuary do not succeed. After a period of "two thousand three hundred evenings and mornings," says the angelic messenger, "the holy place will certainly be brought into its right condition," or "shall emerge victorious."—Daniel 8:13, 14; The New English Bible.
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The 2,300 days constitute a prophetic period. Hence, a prophetic year of 360 days is involved. (Revelation 11:2, 3; 12:6, 14) This 2,300 days, then, would amount to 6 years, 4 months, and 20 days. When was this period? Well, in the 1930’s, God’s people began to experience increasing persecution in various countries. And during World War II, Jehovah’s Witnesses were fiercely persecuted in the lands of the Anglo-American dual world power. Why? Because of their insistence on ‘obeying God as ruler rather than men.’ (Acts 5:29) Therefore, the 2,300 days must be associated with that war. But what can be said about the beginning and the end of this prophetic period?
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For "the holy place" to be "brought," or restored, to what it should be, the 2,300 days must have begun when it previously was in the "right condition" from God’s standpoint. At the earliest, this was on June 1, 1938, when The Watchtower published part 1 of the article "Organization." Part 2 appeared in the issue of June 15, 1938. Counting 2,300 days (6 years, 4 months, and 20 days on the Hebrew calendar) from June 1 or 15, 1938, brings us to October 8 or 22, 1944. On the first day of a special assembly held at Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, U.S.A., on September 30 and October 1, 1944, the Watch Tower Society’s president spoke on the subject "The Theocratic Alignment Today." At the annual corporate meeting on October 2, the Society’s charter was amended in an effort to bring it as close to a theocratic arrangement as the law would allow. With the publication of clarified Biblical requirements, theocratic organization was soon more fully installed in the congregations of Jehovah’s Witnesses.
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While the 2,300 days ran their course during World War II, which began in 1939, the offering of "the constant feature" at God’s sanctuary was severely restricted because of persecution. In 1938 the Watch Tower Society had 39 branches supervising the work of the Witnesses worldwide, but by 1943 there were only 21. Increases in the number of Kingdom proclaimers were also small during that period.
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As we have noted, during the closing months of World War II, Jehovah’s Witnesses reaffirmed their determination to magnify God’s rulership by serving him as a theocratic organization. It was with this objective that the rearrangement of their work and governing structure was initiated in 1944. In fact, The Watchtower of October 15, 1944, contained an article entitled "Organized for Final Work." It and other service-oriented articles of the same period indicated that the 2,300 days had ended and that "the holy place" was again in its "right condition."
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divejunkie
How about:
The book of Revelation is symbolic.
But the part that names 144,000 as the only ones going to heaven is literal.
But the part that says that the 144,000 are all descendents of the sons of Jacob (12,000 of tribe of Reuben, 12,000 from the tribe of Benjamin, etc), therefore making the chosen ones all israelites and not leaving space for other nationalities as part of the annoited, is symbolic. -
buffalosrfree
The society declaring that elders are picked by holy spirit, its more like holy sh*t! They can't stop trying to pat
themselves on the back. They should have wrote the twist and sang it before Chubby Checker, because the
way they can twist things is way beyond normal and amazes me.
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minimus
It is incredible, isn't it? Like Kenneson said, anything to do with numbers is stupid and wrong......Farkel, so glad to see you pop in!!!!
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RubaDub
King of the North, King of the South, Wicked Witch of the East, Wicked Witch of the West.
Those are 4 off the top of my head.
Rub a Dub