New light for the Catholic Church

by TallTexan 17 Replies latest watchtower scandals

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  jschwehm

  Hi Gang:

  Here is how the Catholic Church understands the teaching that "Outside the Church there is no Salvation".

  And here is a link to the entire Catechism of the Catholic Church where you can read all of the major doctrines that the Catholic Church teaches.

  http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc/index.htm

  Jeff S.

  www.catholicxjw.com

  "Outside the Church there is no salvation"

  846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?335 Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:

  Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.336

  847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:

  Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.337

  848 "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."338
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  Gregor

  Yes, the Catholics have done away with purgatory, which the media has been referring to as "Limbo". This may have confused some who thought the Limbo was a dance with a stick, etc.

  The interesting thing about Catholic purgatory was that if a loved one was determined by the church to be in purgatory, that place between heaven and hell (because of no last rights being given or a few other things when they died) they could be "prayed out" of purgatory by the priest for a price. That's right, you could buy your loved ones way to heaven! Say what you want about the Catholics but they have done pretty good. They goofed when they came up with celibacy for priests and ended up with a lot of sexual deviancy.
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  Gregor

  CORRECTION

  Whoops. Limbo has been done away with. Apparently it is NOT the same as purgatory. My mistake. Sorry.

  I've learned to fess up when I'm wrong, just like the WT Society!
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  jschwehm

  Hi Gang:

  Here is what the Catholic Encyclopedia says about Limbo:

  http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09256a.htm

  The Church is currently studying this in more detail and I believe that in the near future there will be more definitive comments about it.

  Jeff S.

  www.catholicxjw.com
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  Sad emo

  "Outside the Church there is no salvation"

  Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.336

  So, I left the Catholic church - am I saved or aren't I?

  Looks like I'm not.

  Maybe I'll get away with doing 'time' in purgatory

  - or am I damned to hell for eternity?
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  RodentBoy

  First, I think you'd better get some evidence that the RCC has altered anything on purgatory. I have some pretty heavy doubts about the claim.

  Second, the Church simply does not do big sweeping reversals in dogma. It took centuries for it to even apologize about Galileo, for goodness sake. Change for the RCC is measured in decades at the smallest increment, and even the most sweeping changes of Vatican II were as much procedural changes and clarifications that really didn't intrude on underlying theological assertions, and even VII has irritated a lot of conservative Catholics.
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  TallTexan

  Well, thanks for the input. I wondered at the time why it hadn't been more publicized if it had indeed changed.

  Rodentboy - as far as proof goes, that's why I posted the topic. It was something I heard that I was questioning - I wasn't making a statement that I knew was a fact.....
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  blindersoff

  It makes me think that all of our efforts to expose the WTS are a waste - they'll still believe what they want and we'll still be the 'lying apostates'. It's frustrating.....

  
  As Paul says---never may that happen. There is plenty of proof thatr our efforts are bearing fruit.

  The train is grinding to a halt and will soon start backing down the grade.

  'Move ahead, move ahead in your ministry I just donated CoC to the library