Can you be DF'd for obesity?

by cosmo 43 Replies latest jw friends

  • buffalosrfree
    buffalosrfree

    I believe that smoking is a choice, I did it for 18 or so years and then one day I stopped, got tired of it, and the expense just plain pissed me off. I also believe the incidence of dying from secondary smoke is a bunch of horse shit. If that were so then people who smoke and hang together would have an even higher incidence of lung cancer than others, they don't as far as I know. That comment attributed to Steve Martin, made me laugh, I remember asking people just the opposite and then lighting up.

    I haven't smoked now for about 13 years, I don't mind those who do, I do mind those who bitch about it. The society with their ban on smoking aren't looking out for the health of people, they are looking for control. Does control kill people??????? Do people die due to the influences of secondary control. Just a couple of questions on my part and my $.01 worth. Buff

  • individuals wife
    individuals wife

    Buffalosrfree

    I would agree with you that it is everyones choice whether to smoke or not but I must disagree on your point about passive smoking. You said

    I also believe the incidence of dying from secondary smoke is a bunch of horse shit. If that were so then people who smoke and hang together would have an even higher incidence of lung cancer than others, they don't as far as I know

    Horse shit? Not according to my textbooks..... let me quote for you a few facts.... please take these comments in the spirit that they are given, just trying to give you a bit of information here, after all,you said you dont know...

    ‘There is increasing evidence that smoking relates directly to the high incidence of lung cancer, which kills about 300 people a day in the UK alone (Pollock 1993, Buck 1997). The sidestream smoke inhaled in passive smoking has a higher concentration of some toxic and carcinogenic substances than has mainstream smoke, which is significant for families and workmates of smokers. The evidence is that both active and passive smoking by pregnant women have detrimental effects on the unborn child and are clearly associated with low birth weight and perinatal morbidity and mortality. (Jones & MacLeod-Clark 1993). Maternal smoking has been linked to sudden infant death syndrome and passive smoking to a high incidence of childhood asthma (Azizi 1993). Passive smoking can also be linked to a high incidence of coronary heart disease in adults. (Kawachi et al 1997).’

    Also, the following was interesting...

    ‘Recent research showed that non-smokers are at risk by exposure to other peoples’s smoke; one-quarter of lung cancer cases in non-smokers are estimated to be due to passive smoking (Trichopoulos et al 1981, Valanis 1996)

    And if that wasnt enough - this is the part that really got to me.....

    ‘Children and adolescents exposed to passive or second-hand smoking have been quoted as being at risk of the adverse effects of smoking. Impaired respiration, chest infections and asthma in children are more often associated with parental smoking than any other causative factor. The effect of this ’passive smoking’ is receiving increased attention. A report by the Independent Scientific Committee on Smoking and Health suggests that people who are subjected to the smoke of others have an increased risk (in the range of 10-30%) of developing lung cancer. The committee suggests that in view of the dangers of ’second-hand’ smoke, ’non-smoking should be regarded as the norm in enclosed areas frequented by the public or employees, special provision being made for smokers, rather than vice versa’. The effects of tobacco smoke on non-smokers can include nose, throat and chest irritations, breathing difficulties, coughing, red and runny eyes, headaches, dizziness, nausea, lack of concentration and decrease in lung function. Those with long-term health problems such as asthma, chronic bronchitis, allergies and heart problems are especially at risk’

    The point of my post here is not to judge those who smoke, I believe that everyone has a choice in how they lead their lives. I merely present this information in answer to those who deny that passive smoking is a real problem.

    As a final note - it was only a few days ago that I spring cleaned a relatives house for them as a surprise for when they got back from their holiday..... someone in the house is a smoker and you would not believe how yellow their house was inside, I spent four hours just washing down walls and doors and paintwork. Another person who lives in that house is a non-smoker.... I can only imagine that her lungs must be as tainted. Not so easy to scrub your lungs clean.... and there I rest my case.....

  • dins
    dins

    This topic interested me for a number of reasons.

    I grew up in the Borg and I was an overweight child. I ate because I was unhappy, restricted and forced to live a lifestyle that I knew wasn't for me from a very early age.

    I carried my weight problem over to adulthood but five years ago I lost 60 pounds and became a weight reduction leader and exercise instructor part-time.

    There are medical reasons for some people being overweight, but that excuse is used far too much. Truth is, people are just eating too much and exercising too little.

    But eating too much can be more than just gluttony. I ate because I was just plain unhappy and it was something to fill the void I had for so long. Until you address the issue of why you overeat, you will never really have long-term success in keeping it off.

    Cosmo does have a point in a way. If the Society feels they can enter our bedrooms, why not interfere with what we eat?

    Just a thought...

    Diana

  • Tina
    Tina

    Obesity causes hypoxia,cardio myopathys,diabetes,strokes coronary diseases,osteoarthritis,some cancers. Reduces longevity.

    There are valid medical reasons to curb eating just as there are to not smoke.
    Hi dins!
    WTG!! I said in my post that the medical reasons are more in the minority(according to stats)I agree,it's used too often as an excuse not to take control over their lifestyle.
    It's the sedentary lifestyle. One has control over that (as you've shown!)
    But I do think the JW lifestyle contributes to it too. Being unhappy for sure! But then excercising and other activites oftentimes includes being with people. And the nonsense that was drummed into us about 'associating or sharing in activities' with 'worldy' people was so frowned upon. It's being with a group that helps motivate one. So I think that is a factor as well. I think 90% of my old cong was obese,many morbidly so. I think there was 3 legit medical probs among them.
    So technically, since it is dangerous to one's health,I suppose they could Df for that,but they would have had to include themselves as most of my elder body was obese....just some thoughts. Nice to meet you Dins! Tina

  • Jigrigger
    Jigrigger

    Hi Cosmo,

    In my opinion smoking and obesity are HEALTH issues. The Society turned smoking into a MORAL issue as one more way of enforcing conformity.

    I doubt that the Society could do the same thing with obesity because there are several causes for obesity, gluttony being just one cause and far less frequently a cause of obesity than lifestyle, genetics, or poor diet.

    Jrig

  • cosmo
    cosmo

    I'd like to thank all of you for your comments.

  • buffalosrfree
    buffalosrfree

    Sorry I so late in responding but the incidence of death among active smokers isn't raised or lowered by secondary smoking, that was my post not kids catch this or kids catch that. We did massive spring cleaning where I grew up too, and my father, mother, and older brother and sisters smoked we didn't have yellow walls either. you are entitled to you view and glad that you are, but if the incidence of killing people was so prominent, then the smoker who gets both of the effects of smoking would be doubly affected don't you think? klWell enough off to work i go. buff

    Tina you mentioned that obesity causes somethings to include diabetes, my wife has diabetes isn't obese as is most in her family. Do to many visits with drs. and clinics (i.e. diabetic clinics) we have been told time and time again the diabetes is herediatry, you don't get it you are born with the genes etc that cause it.

  • Tina
    Tina

    hi buffalo,
    You are speaking of Diabetes Type1 or IDD. Yes this has a high risk genotype(DQB102/0302) component in the developement of the disease.

    Type 2 has been studied and researched for along time now and these have shown that diet,obesity and overweight are predictors of the development of this type of diabetes.

    There are about 4 types of diabetes insipidus which are managed differently than the above.
    The type 1's I've seen are usually slender as they must adhere to a special diet.
    But type 2's sorry,the research speaks for itself. There are cases where type 2's have lost the weight and normal insulin levels returned and they no longer required meds. Just what I know from personal and professional experience.Tina

  • individuals wife
    individuals wife

    Buffalosrfree - I was interested by some of your comments....

    the incidence of death among active smokers isn't raised or lowered by secondary smoking, that was my post not kids catch this or kids catch that.

    Active smokers death rates are high because of the primary smoking, not just the secondary smoking. The main damage is caused by the primary smoking. Passive or secondary smoking just adds to it. My point is that passive smoking ON ITS OWN when breathed in by a non-smoker is also a cause of health problems. I was not just referring to children either, the articles I brought to your attention also focused on the workplace.

    We did massive spring cleaning where I grew up too, and my father, mother, and older brother and sisters smoked we didn't have yellow walls either.

    That really does surprise me, maybe they smoked outdoors ;). Honestly, the walls were sticky to touch with the residue of tar, my husband, who cleans windows, has customers who smoke and every month their windows inside are yellow and stained. You only have to look at the fingers of a smoker.....

    if the incidence of killing people was so prominent, then the smoker who gets both of the effects of smoking would be doubly affected don't you think?

    Both of the effects of smoking? Primary smoking causes the major damage, secondary smoking will not make that much difference to a person who already inhales directly from a cigarette.

    I do not mean to offend any smokers on this site, good grief, it is not in my nature to be offensive... but I do feel that passive smoking is not always perceived as a threat to our health which it most definitely is.

  • philo
    philo

    I wanna know if you can be disfellowshipped for OBSCENITY. Say at the WT study: if you answer up with real passion, calling down evil upon the 'bastard' clergy of Christendom, or, call out spontaneously during a public talk, "Fuck me! That's so true". Would you get disfellowshipped if you couldn't control it?

    What's that disease, featured on Ally McBeal, where the sufferer blurts out freudianisms? Imagine a JW with THAT. LOL

    philo

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