by VM44 19 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
Just a few days ago someone posted here a very good quote from the 1984 SURVIVAL INTO A NEW EARTH book.
It contained a statement that was just flat out wrong. I remembered thinking that it was a very good quote to have for reference.
Of course, now I can't find the thread, and can't remember the quote!!!!
Does anyone here remember also remember this? and where it was posted?
--VM44
It wasn't that long ago it was posted here...Someone HAS to recall it.
Otherwise I am recalling reading posts that never existed! :)
--VM44
Please give some of the context of the quote please.
Hi Severus,
I think it had to do with a comment about how the 1914 generation were in their 70's and 80's.
If I recall correctly, the quote from the book was very explicit about how close the end of this world was at the time.
--VM44
VM, I have the book right in front of me. The only chapter that seems to go along with your search would be chapter 24 "The Countdown Nears Its Zero Hour". On page 184 par 5 its states:
"The countdown that has proceeded for some six millenniums now nears its zero hour. So close is it that people who were alive in 1914, and who are now well along in years, will not all pass off the scene before the thrilling events marking the vindication of Jehovah's sovereignty come to pass"- Mark 13:30.
If this is not it tell me more, I'll look for it tomorrow.
The Claw.
VM44--I have the book and skimmed it for you. Here's one quote:
The countdown that has proceeded for some six milleniums now enters its zero hour. So close is it that people who were alive in 1914, and who are now well along in years, will not all pass off the scene before the thrilling events marking the vindication of Jehovah's sovereignty come to pass.--Mark 13:30 pg.184
~Merry
*waves at The Claw*
Here's another good one (from Chapter 3):
14. But does not now the passing of 70 years since 1914 indicate that there may be some doubt about whether we really have been in "the last days" since that year and whether Christ's coming as executioner is near? Not at all! Regarding those who would see the fulfillment of "the sign" from its beginning, starting with 1914, Jesus said: "Truly I say to you that this generation will by no means pass away until all these things happen." (Mark 13:30) Members of that generation are still here, though rapidly decreasing in number.
15. It is true that statistics indicate that the average expectancy on a global basis is now only 60 years, but millions of persons live beyond that age. According to available statistics, in 1980 approximately 250,000,000 of those who were alive in 1914 were still living. That generation is not yet gone. Interestingly, however, of those born in 1900 or earlier, figures published by the United Nations indicate that only an estimated 35, 316, 000 were still alive in 1980. So the number drops quickly as individuals reach their seventies and eighties. When considered along with all the details of Jesus' prophetic sign, these facts strongly indicate that the end is near.--Luke 21:28 pg.28~Merry
VM44 --
Here's one from the You Can Live Forever in Paradise on Earth book:
Page 154, paragraph 8 states: After drawing attention to the many things that have marked the period from 1914 onward, Jesus said: "This generation will by no means pass away until all these things [including the end of this system] occur." (Matthew 24:34, 14) Which generation did Jesus mean? He meant the generation of people who were living in 1914. Those persons yet remaining of that generation are now very old. However, some of them will still be alive to see the end of this wicked system. So of this we can be certain: Shortly now there will be a sudden end to all wickedness and wicked people at Armageddon.
Thank you Iron Claw, MerryMagdalene, and Kaput for searching the SURVIVAL book and finding those quotations.
Even after extensive searching I still have not found the original posting here at JWD where I first read the quotes, and that was only a few days ago! The moral is this, if you find something, bookmark it right away!
If anyone who posted on that original thread that mentioned the "SURVIVAL INTO A NEW EARTH" book, please post a link to it, or at least mention that you contributed to it. It is somewhat bothersome to not be able to find it again.
The SURVIVAL book quotes about how the 1914 generation are interesting as they are so confident about the meaning of Mark 13:30 in that the generation that "will not pass away" is the 1914 generation.
Great confidence was placed in the nearness to the end because of what Jesus said. But today, the generation that will not pass away is no longer the 1914 generation, but basically whatever generation was alive that saw the signs.
Jesus's words have not changed, only the meaning ascribed to the word "generation" by The Watchtower. The discarding of the confident statements in this 1984 book indicate quite clearly that The Watchtower did not know what it was talking about. But then, when has it?
--VM44
I found it! The original thread with the quote.
Although I read it a few days ago, it was actually posted back in January. Here is the link to the thread:
Jonadabs, the promise they will never die made in 1935 http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/106245/1.ashx
And here is the quote as originally posted by TD:
"Especially beginning in 1935, when the identity of the "great multitude," or "great crowd," was clearly understood, large numbers of these began to manifest themselves. At first there were hundreds, then thousands, later hundreds of thousands, and now there are millions spread around the globe. God’s infallible Word depicts this group as ‘coming out of the great tribulation,’ being survivors of it, living right on into God’s New Order without ever having to die. (Revelation 7:9, 10, 14; John 11:26) The early members of this group are now in their 60’s or 70’s or older. Jehovah did not allow the ingathering of this group to begin too soon. The "great crowd," including many of the earliest members thereof, will survive into the "new earth." (Survival Into A New Earth p. 185)
