by cr1234 33 Replies latest jw experiences
Ask how many public talks he's heard in the past six months that criticise "Christendom's Churches"? Has he followed up to see if those comments were accurate? Why would the "truth" have to spend so much time tearing down everyone else? jgnat
Those very questions led me to investigate why the WATCHTOWER BIBLE and TRACT SOCIETY condemns the local church 'just around the corner' in their publications and public talks.
Now I know why they condemn 'Christendom's Churches'.
Bob Evans
Walland, TN.
He's asking the wrong question - or at least in the wrong way.
Whether the WTBTS is teaching the truth or not does not depend on someone else teaching something better.
go to http://www.607v587.com/ and challange him with the same question - ask him to find ONE other source besided the WTBTS who teaches that Jerusalem fell in 607. If that date is wrong then their whole dating system is wrong including that they were chosen as God's people in 1919.
So ask him to prove to you that they were chosen in 1919 if 607 is wrong.
Hello all, and welcome cr1234.
where do you go to worship?
He said he feels safe at the hall and why would he leave to go to nothing.
Worship?, All you do at the Kingdom hall is sit there, you can do that anywhere. the only thing that comes close to worship at the Kingdom hall is the singing and nothing else. you can do that anywhere.
Fellowship, that's what he's really looking for, and a need to belong to something bigger than him-self, Join a gym!
Salvation lie within. People need to learn to take control of their own lives and destinys. When one becomes a slave to the thoughts, beliefs and doctrine of others, he is a slave to that person.
Oh so true, couldn't have said it better.
Acadian
He is diverting attention. My response would be, if JWs have the truth you would be correct. If they do not have the truth then ANYwhere else would at least be worth investigating. If they do not have the truth, then they are the one place you know for sure you should NOT worship. Then bring them back to the real topic, do they have the truth...
Sherry
He is diverting attention. My response would be, if JWs have the truth you would be correct. If they do not have the truth then ANYwhere else would at least be worth investigating. If they do not have the truth, then they are the one place you know for sure you should NOT worship. Then bring them back to the real topic, do they have the truth...
Sherry
I hate that response. It's the same one I always get when I start making headway in the conversation.
My response is to say that I do not like the "lesser of two evils" argument. I will not choose something that I know is incorrect only because I do not know of anything better. I will choose nothing, and keep looking!
The WTS spends so much time emphasising an organization, i.e.their organization, that people instinctively ask that question.
Ask him: "Once a child becomes an Adult, do they look for new parents when theirs die?"
Watchtower teaches dependancy.
If he feels "safe" and he is happy then there will be little you can do to change that. The whole "where do you go?" thing is so old. It is based on a twisting of scripture, but that is another argument. Ask him if a person from another religion felt as "safe" in their religion, and was even more happy and content. And this person was ten times more convinced in their own heart and mind that their religion was correct, would he still believe in his heart that this other person would be worthy of death at arrmageddon? If so, where is the joy in that, and if not then he really shouldn't be a dub.
LOL
Try Jesus Christ himself :)
sir82, that was a beautiful illustration. I can build on that.
How about if there are still some seats available and there are people waiting in line to go in?
Would the fact that the movie sold out change the fact that the theater is on fire?
What if the movie is excellent, a hopeful saga about redemption and everything winds up happy in the end, does that mean the theater isn't on fire?
What if the ushers, security, and management are very attentive to their responsibility to throw out anyone who creates a stir, does that mean the theater isn't on fire?
What if they are particularly watchful of anyone who calls attention to the smoke, the heat, the sizzling and popping sounds, and the flames that prove the theater is on fire? If the ushers, security, and management are very quick to throw out those who point out that the theater is on fire, will that mean the theater isn't on fire?
I think I'm going to work this into a simple illustration to make the point. I think this little story I have playing in my head could be very compelling for explaining the cult dynamic to people who've never been in it.
Respectfully,
AuldSoul
