by hubert 30 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
The witnesses believe(as you already know), that those who live on earth will STILL "be with" jesus....although they are in two different places( heaven and earth). Just as they translate the Great Crowd being BEFORE the throne as meaning on earth, but giving reverence toward heaven. In other words, "paradise" is on earth in this scripture in a witnesses mind.....not heaven...and these ones are still in a sense" with him".
Boy, Ya can't win with these people, can ya.
Thanks, guys.
Hubert
Thanks, guys.
Your more than welcome Hubert
Gumby
hubert
My question is "how can I get the same guarantee as an "evildoer"?" He never did any field service.
The JWs don't have any guarantees of being in Paradise, and they work their tails off.
D Dog
The JWs don't have any guarantees of being in Paradise, and they work their tails off.
Spoken like a true dog!
How could anyone be with Christ in paradise that day? Christ didn't ascend himself that day. it was several days later, no? Seems the WT comma placement explination makes sense.
chappy
How could anyone be with Christ in paradise that day? Christ didn't ascend himself that day. it was several days later, no? Seems the WT comma placement explination makes sense. chappy
Hey chappy
Ya know what? That was a good observation that nobody commented on yet!
If someone doesn't supply a good answer to your comment, we'll need to start a thread on that one.
Gumby
chappy
Seems the WT comma placement explination makes sense.
Then maybe you could answer my question.
My question is "how can I get the same guarantee as an "evildoer"?"D Dog
Then maybe you could answer my question.My question is "how can I get the same guarantee as an "evildoer"?"D Dog
First of all, dogs can't get into the kingdom ya silly bastard
Second, had you been the evildoer, you too would have gotten a blessing. The evildoer's HEART was read by Jesus himself just as jesus knew the hearts of those whom he chose as apostles. Maybe if Jesus would speak to you today....he'd say "deputy dog is gonna be with me in paradise too."
The Watchtowers explanation is the evildoer had a change of heart and was as a sheep at the time of his execution. He acknowleged Jesus as the son of god and "confessed him" and the other one didn't......cuz he was a goat bastard.
Gumby
Gumby
Seems the WT comma placement explination makes sense.
Some would remove the stop, and place it after "today", and read the words thus, "I say unto thee today"; as if Christ only signified the time when he said this, and not when the thief should be with him in paradise; which, besides it being senseless, and impertinent, and only contrived to serve an hypothesis, is not agreeably to Christ's usual way of speaking, and contrary to all copies and versions. Moreover, in one of Beza's exemplars it is read, "I say unto thee, ?t? s?µe??? that today thou shalt be with me", &c. and so the Persic and Ethiopic versions seem to read, which destroys this silly criticism. And because this was a matter of great importance, and an instance of amazing grace, that so vile a sinner, one of the chief of sinners, should immediately enter into the kingdom of God, and enjoy uninterrupted, and everlasting communion with him and that it might not be a matter of doubt with him, or others, Christ, who is the "Amen", the faithful witness, and truth itself, prefaces it after this manner: "verily I say unto thee"; it is truth, it may be depended on. This instance of grace stands on record, not to cherish sloth, indolence, security and presumption, but to encourage faith and hope in sensible sinners, in their last moments, and prevent despair. The Papists pretend to know this man's name; they say his name was Disma; and reckon him as a martyr, and have put him in the catalogue of saints, and fixed him on the "twenty fifth" of March.
John Gill
Gumby
The Watchtowers explanation is the evildoer had a change of heart and was as a sheep at the time of his execution. He acknowleged Jesus as the son of god and "confessed him" and the other one didn't......cuz he was a goat bastard.
Your making my piont, no JW knows when he dies if he's gonna make it to paradise. This guy had a promise from Jesus that he would make it.
Second, had you been the evildoer, you too would have gotten a blessing.
I am an "evildoer" and I did get "a blessing"
D Dog
