Wow that UN scandal really DOES work wonders

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  • bythesea
    bythesea

    IP-SEC

    Maybe you did a copy & paste when you offered your great info in the above post...but there were a couple of uncompleted sentences I'm very curious about...could you give us the rest of the sentences for verification purposes of the material? That would be great!

    #1....As you note from the letter to all elders in.........? (This is under your LIE#1 line)

    #2 .....there are at least 5 such depositories in......? (above the bold word HYPOCRISY)

    The information you offer under Lie #1 that is in quotations...I am assuming this comes from the letter to the body of elders? I would like to print your information off to add to my UN/NGO file but want to be sure where it comes from. Thanks, IP_SEC

    Bythesea

  • IP_SEC
    IP_SEC

    Sorry bts I copied it from my blog and this site doesnt handle line breaks correctly.

    ____________________________________________________________________________________________________

    Note: This essay is not critical of the UN or any government. Its sole purpose is to show the hypocrisy and lies of the Watchtower organization's association with the UN as an NGO between 1991 and 2001.

    For many decades now Jehovah's witnesses have believed the United Nations Organization is a tool of Satan. They believe it is the Scarlet Colored wild beast of Revelation and is a counterfeit government set up by Satan to draw mankind's attention away from the kingdom of God.

    Watch Tower Society quotes on the UN:
    http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y169/cloudstricken/WT_UN_Quotes.jpg

    For many years the WTS has insisted that its members as-well-as the organization of Jehovah's witnesses remain politically neutral. It has disfellowshipped members for becoming involved in any political process including voting in any election or referendum.

    In 1991 the WTS applied for Non Governmental Organization (hereafter NGO) status with the UN. At this point I want to make one thing clear. I am NOT saying that the WTS joined the UN. As they are not a government or nation as defined by the UN it is uncertain as to whether or not they could possibly join the UN.

    Proof of association

    Official document from the United Nations (acrobat reader required)
    http://www.un.org/dpi/ngosection/pdfs/watchtower.pdf

    Official document from the United Nations (jpeg file)

    Page1
    http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y169/cloudstricken/WT_UN_NGO_PG_1.jpg

    Page2
    http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y169/cloudstricken/WT_UN_NGO_PG_2.jpg

    Letter from the Germany Branch to all elders in Germany (jpeg file)http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y169/cloudstricken/WT_UN_Germany_BOE_Letter.jpg

    If you are dubious as to whether these documents are genuine feel free to call or write the WTS yourself and ask.

    Office of Public Information
    25 Columbia Heights
    Brooklyn, New York 11201-2483
    Fax: (718) 560-5619
    (718) 560-5000

    Outright lies and hypocrisy

    It is bad enough that the WTS associated with the UN (image of the wild beast), but in trying to justify this association they have made things worse by telling outright lies.

    Lie #1: We needed NGO status for UN library access

    As you note from the letter to all elders in Germany, or if you call the branch, the reason given for this association as an NGO was to gain access to the UN library. This is completely false. First UN library access is completely independent of NGO status. Second access to all UN library resources is freely available to anyone. Please note this statement on the UN's DHL site: http://www.un.org/Depts/dhl/services.htm#access

    "Access to the United Nations Bibliographic Information System (UNBIS) databases is freely available through UNBISnet to any Internet user. For further information contact the Data Base Manager."

    The UN library also participates in the Inter-Library Loan program. Note:

    "Material needed for official research but outside the collecting scope of the Library may be borrowed temporarily (usually four weeks) from other libraries. Reference works and material published in the current year are generally not available through inter-library loan."

    The UN also sends out all of its material it publishes to UN depositories. These UN depositories have everything and anything about the UN including the General Assembly's, Security Council's and ECOSOC's minutes, resolutions and reports. There are all the volumes of the UN Year Books, all the volumes of the UN's human rights books, volumes of trade books, economic books and population statistics books. These depositories are exceedingly numerous and there are at least five such depositories in New York City.

    Lie #2: Our association as an NGO does not conflict with our Christian beliefs

    As stated before the WTS views the UN as the image of, or scarlet colored wild beast of Revelation. This would make NGO association problematic in itself. A larger problem is that since before the WTS application for NGO status to the current date, the terms for maintaining this status are in blatant disregard for WTS stance of neutrality. Please not the above information release from the UN about the Society's NGO status.

    Point #1 "that the NGO share the principles of the UN Charter"
    Point #2 "have the commitment and means to conduct effective information programmes about UN activities by publishing news letters, bulletins and pamphlets, organizing conferences, seminars and round tables: and enlisting the cooperation of the media."

    Does the WTS now share the principles of the UN Charter? Would the WTS actually agree to allow themselves to be used by the UN to disseminate UN propaganda? How do these two points, which have been requirements for NGOs for many years before the WTS associated, not constitute a conflict with the beliefs of Jehovah's Witnesses?

    Hypocrisy

    *** w91 6/1 p. 17 Their Refuge—A Lie! ***

    10 However, she has not done so. Instead, in her quest for peace and security, she insinuates herself into the favor of the political leaders of the nations—this despite the Bible's warning that friendship with the world is enmity with God. (James 4:4) Moreover, in 1919 she strongly advocated the League of Nations as man's best hope for peace. Since 1945 she has put her hope in the United Nations. (Compare Revelation 17:3, 11.) How extensive is her involvement with this organization?

    11 A recent book gives an idea when it states: "No less than twenty-four Catholic organizations are represented at the UN. Several of the world's religious leaders have visited the international organization. Most memorable were the visits of His Holiness Pope Paul VI during the General Assembly in 1965 and of Pope John Paul II in 1979. Many religions have special invocations, prayers, hymns and services for the United Nations. The most important examples are those of the Catholic, the Unitarian-Universalist, the Baptist and the Bahai faiths."

    Bold words used by the WTS in denunciation of churches that support the UN and share the principles of the UN Charter. Yet hypocritically the WTS agreed that they too share the principles of the UN Charter upon becoming an NGO.

    Evidence of conducting effective information programs about UN activities:

    See the 10/1/95 article about the UN in the WT magazine (completely lacks the strong language of describing the UN as the disgusting thing or scarlet colored wild beast. Is almost flowery in its description of the UN)

    YMCA

    Even if it were true that the WTS became an NGO for the sole purpose of gaining access to the UN library, that reason would still be utter hypocrisy. I give you the example of what would happen if a Witness joined the YMCA even if the only reason was to gain access to the gym or swimming pool.

    Questions from Readers

    • Is it true that for religious reasons Jehovah's Witnesses may not become members of the YMCA (Young Men's Christian Association)?

    Yes, that is so. We have long recognized that the YMCA, though not being a church as such, is definitely aligned with the religious organizations of Christendom in efforts to promote interfaith.

    *** w79 1/1 p. 30 Questions from Readers ***

    Many persons think of the "Y" simply as a social organization that offers various services, such as a swimming pool, facilities for athletic training and a place for clubs to meet. Commendable as some of these provisions may be, it is important to bear in mind that the YMCA was founded with a distinctly religious basis.

    *** w79 1/1 p. 31 Questions from Readers ***

    In joining the YMCA as a member a person accepts or endorses the general objectives and principles of the organization. He is not simply paying for something he receives, such as when buying things being sold to the public at a store.

    *** w79 1/1 p. 31 Questions from Readers ***

    Nor is his membership merely an entry pass, as when a person buys a theater ticket. Membership means that one has become an integral part of this organization founded with definite religious objectives, including the promotion of interfaith. Hence, for one of Jehovah's Witnesses to become a member of such a so-called "Christian" association would amount to apostasy

    The lies and hypocrisy of the WTS on this subject should infuriate you. If you join the Y you will be dealt with judicially and possibly disfellowshipped. The WTS has broken its own rules on Christian neutrality, and tried to cover it up or minimize the wrong.

    *** w59 10/15 p. 627 Be a Man—Shoulder the Responsibility ***

    let us be on guard and strive to overcome it lest we get to be like Adam, Eve and King Saul. Remember, trying to shift the blame upon circumstances or upon others is an indication of some form of selfishness, moral weakness, pride or dishonesty. If we guard our hearts we can please God in spite of our weaknesses: "He that is covering over his transgressions will not succeed, but he that is confessing and leaving them will be shown mercy." So be a man! Be like David, like Peter—shoulder the responsibility!—Prov. 28:13

  • metatron
    metatron

    This is a true story: A group of us were conducting Bible Studies with long term prisoners at the local jail. One of them got the Awake

    that was so lavish in its praise of the UN. He said he couldn't understand why the Society did this, given that the UN was a Satanic

    counterfeit. I had no particular reply, as I didn't know about the Society's double-dealing on this issue. Now, I know the real truth.

    metatron

  • dozy
    dozy

    In answer to your question , It-Sec , my basic train of thought is that in essence there are 2 issues here -

    1... Should the WTS have any dealings with the UN

    As far as the issue of “doing business” with the UN is concerned , I don’t see how the WTS has any choice. A few years ago , I was involved as a director of a company working in East Africa (great - blown my cover now to anyone who knows me!) and I saw at first hand how the UN and its agencies are very influential - it would be almost impossible to work independently. JWs , being involved all over the world & dealing with freedom of religion , legal registration & human rights issues they would have no choice but to engage with the UN.

    2... Were they caught in an outright lie when “found out”?

    I suppose this comes down to trust. For one thing , I know Paul Gillies in London who wrote the reply letter to the Guardian - you couldn’t meet a nicer or more mild individual - he is physically incapable of telling or relaying what would be an outrageous lie. I honestly think the society did not realise the implications of signing up to NGO status - whether they didn’t read through the paperwork initially or the terms changed (or both).

    I have read through all the “evidence” relating to Awake articles and such like , but I’m not convinced. There are many articles and quotes favourable to the UN long before the "scandal" broke.

  • IP_SEC
    IP_SEC
    As far as the issue of “doing business” with the UN is concerned , I don’t see how the WTS has any choice.

    This really is not the issue but ok, I'll bite. The WTS does have a choice, just like they have a choice whether or not to lobby congress, vote in referendum, purchase a political card, or join the army. The choice not to associate with the disgusting thing is there.

    2... Were they caught in an outright lie when “found out”?

    No, they were caught in an outright lie when they tried to justify what they were doing. The library card defense is complete bollocks.

    I suppose this comes down to trust.

    Yes which was broken when they didnt fess up and tried to minimize why they associated with DPI as an NGO by lying about library access.

    he is physically incapable of telling or relaying what would be an outrageous lie.

    That is only impossible for one person (Heb 6:18)

    I honestly think the society did not realise the implications of signing up to NGO status - whether they didn’t read through the paperwork initially or the terms changed (or both).

    Ok, I'll give you that, they didnt realize. If their fleet of lawyers couldnt figure it out they need new lawyers or to not be the head of gods only true organization on earth. Oh and the "terms changed" That is another bold faced lie. The terms havent changed in decades.

    I have read through all the “evidence” relating to Awake articles and such like , but I’m not convinced. There are many articles and quotes favourable to the UN long before the "scandal" broke.
    I'll even give you that, it is circumstantial at best that those articles were connected with them living up to the terms of their NGO status. The physical evidence of the lies in justification are more than enough to convict.
  • Kristofer
    Kristofer

    dozy, can you provide references where the WT publications speak favorably of the UN?

  • dozy
    dozy

    IP-Sec - if the issue is more with the WTS justification , then I have to agree with you. The WTS should have pre-empted the situation & killed it at birth by holding up their collective hand & saying "Sorry - we botched this one up." They should have addressed the matter in a Question from Readers or in a letter read out to every congregation. We are talking about a small number of elderly institutionalised individuals in NY who have no idea how their actions are perceived in the normal world outside (whether by opposers or by r&f JWs) & who "never apologise , never explain".

  • IP_SEC
    IP_SEC
    if the issue is more with the WTS justification

    Yes, and the problem is more than justification. Justification by itself isnt bad. When they lied to justify, that is what causes the main problem. Everyone is much more forgiving if its: "oops we messed up, the problem is being investigated, we'll let you know what we find"

    But when you DF ppl for getting involved in politics or the armed forces, or joining the "Y". You'd better be ready to be pretty darn blameless yourself. You'd better be ready to be held to the same standard too.

    So at least to me, the UN problem is not a non issue, if you still feel it is, well I can live and let live.

  • bebu
    bebu

    Each time I read that WT 1991 article "Their Refuge--A Lie!" I am overwhelmed with the brazen hypocrasy of the WTS. While this very article was being written, they were applying for UN NGO association status.

    If you have never read the article, these excerpts hammer their major "righteous" theme again and again: It emphasizes the incredibale scandal of their UN association, for the entire article is a polemic against Christendom, and the declaration that Christendom is going to be judged especially for its unforgiveable sin of trusting in worldly alliances, specifically the UN, for help rather than Jehovah. The Jehovahs Witnesses will be saved because they completely reject this association, and trust ONLY in Jehovah.

    Here are some amazing excerpts--although the whole article is amazing:

    ...Like ancient Jerusalem, Christendom looks to worldly alliances for security, and her clergy refuse to take refuge in Jehovah.

    ...Rather, she turned to human political rulers for help. But her reliance on worldly allies was a delusion, a lie. The worldlings she trusted could not save her. And since she abandoned Jehovah, Jehovah abandoned Jerusalem.

    ...Jerusalem’s placing confidence in Egypt proved to be a mistake, and in 607 B.C.E., Jehovah abandoned her to the destruction he had foretold. So Jerusalem’s rulers and priests were wrong! Their trust in worldly alliances for peace and security was "a lie" that was swept away by the flash flood of Babylon’s armies.
    Rejecting the "Tried Stone"

    ...If Christendom had sought peace with Jehovah’s King, Jesus Christ, then she would have avoided the coming flash flood.—Compare Luke 19:42-44. 10 However, she has not done so. Instead, in her quest for peace and security, she insinuates herself into the favor of the political leaders of the nations—this despite the Bible’s warning that friendship with the world is enmity with God. (James 4:4) Moreover, in 1919 she strongly advocated the League of Nations as man’s best hope for peace. Since 1945 she has put her hope in the United Nations. (Compare Revelation 17:3, 11.) How extensive is her involvement with this organization?

    11 A recent book gives an idea when it states: "No less than twenty-four Catholic organizations are represented at the UN. Several of the world’s religious leaders have visited the international organization. Most memorable were the visits of His Holiness Pope Paul VI during the General Assembly in 1965 and of Pope John Paul II in 1979. Many religions have special invocations, prayers, hymns and services for the United Nations. The most important examples are those of the Catholic, the Unitarian-Universalist, the Baptist and the Bahai faiths."

    ...Certainly, no peacemaking efforts of man should make us think that Jehovah has abandoned his purpose to bring a flash flood of destruction on sin-laden Christendom.
    ‘God Is Our Refuge’
    16 Some may take offense at the frankness of Jehovah’s Witnesses in proclaiming this. However, when they say that Christendom’s religious rulers have taken refuge in a lying arrangement, they merely relate what the Bible says. When they say that Christendom deserves punishment because she has become a part of the world, they merely report what God himself says in the Bible. (Philippians 3:18, 19) Moreover, because Christendom puts her confidence in the schemes proposed by this world, she actually supports the god of this world, Satan the Devil, who Jesus said is the father of the lie.—John 8:44; 2 Corinthians 4:4.
    17 Therefore, Jehovah’s Witnesses declare: As for us, we do not encourage false hopes of world peace because of the changing political scene. Instead, we echo the words of the psalmist: "God is a refuge for us. . . . The sons of earthling man are an exhalation, the sons of mankind are a lie. When laid upon the scales they are all together lighter than an exhalation." (Psalm 62:8, 9) Human schemes to promote and preserve Christendom and the rest of this system of things are a falsehood, a lie! All of them put together have no more power to forestall Jehovah’s purposes than does a mouthful of hot air!

    19 To trust any man-made substitute for God’s Kingdom makes that substitute an image, an object of worship. (Revelation 13:14, 15) Thus, encouraging reliance on political institutions, such as the United Nations, for peace and security is an illusion, a lie.

    20 Christendom rested her hopes in the League of Nations, but it was overturned even without the coming of Armageddon. Now she has transferred her allegiance to the United Nations. But it will soon have to face "the war of the great day of God the Almighty," and it will not survive. (Revelation 16:14) Even a revived UN can never bring peace and security. God’s prophetic Word shows that the United Nations organization with its member nations "will battle with the Lamb [Christ in Kingdom power], but, because he is Lord of lords and King of kings, the Lamb will conquer them."—Revelation 17:14.
    21 Jehovah’s Witnesses confidently say that there is no salvation for Christendom in her alliances with Satan’s world. And when they say this, they are merely pointing out what the Bible itself says.

    23 But what of Jehovah’s Witnesses? Even in the face of international hatred and persecution, they persist in keeping separate from the world. They never forget that Jesus said of his followers: "They are no part of the world, just as I am no part of the world." (John 17:16) Throughout these last days, they have put their trust in Jehovah’s Kingdom, not in human schemes.

    So here is the deal. If one "makes sure of all things" and verifies the truth of both this article and the NGO association of the WTS with the UN, then who is the liar, and are you making a liar your refuge?

    FYI, I am not--nor have ever been--a JW. I would ask this question of any JW who comes to my door, and people who care about truth would not be afraid to look at this even if they might recognize that they have been scammed by the people they trusted most.

    It really is a scandal!

    Dozy, I think that Paul Gillies was caught completely unaware by this situation, and could do no better than to quote the WT explanation. A guy that high up in the organization is going to have a great deal of cognitive dissonance, but his resolution of that dissonance has apparently tilted toward trusting the WTS blindly, since the WTS has become his literal career. It took Ray Franz several years to recognize the bigger picture, so there may be hope for him, too, if he's as honest a person as you say.

    My 2 cents and

    bebu

  • metatron
    metatron

    As to lying, go to the source, which were brothers in Brooklyn, such as Ciro Aulicino. All others are just repeating what they're told.

    I have brought up this issue before, namely that the Watchtower is part of the world, by reason of its investments, its real estate

    and its dealings with courtrooms and governments. To say otherwise is an absurdity.

    They dealt with the UN because it benefited them, no different from the image they present of Christendom consorting with political

    elements. This is probably the most galling aspect of this scandal, that they did the very thing they condemn others for - altho,

    I have never heard of a "harlot" whoring herself for a library card, previous to this! The Awake article, with glowing praise for the UN,

    to a degree that some wondered about was printed to satisfy the agreement they signed, to promulgate the interests and

    principles of the UN.

    metatron

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