JWs and Nazis in WW II

by robhic 27 Replies latest watchtower scandals

  • robhic
    robhic

    Thanks to all who elaborated on my initial premise. Leolaia, special thanks for those scans! Fascinating in its ghoulishness.

    But I have a question. In the book I am reading it uses the term "Bible Students" as the name along with "Jehovah's Witnesses." I know the BS morphed into the JWs, but by the start of WW II when these camps really got started, weren't the BS already using the name Jehovah's Witnesses? I wonder why the author used the BS name at all. I thought the change was in 1935?

    I also find it amusing that the JWs used the Jews killing Jesus as such an outrage that they would condone (to any extent) the persecution of Jews by the Nazis. Seems in all the publications today (read most any of Blondie's reviews) Jesus gets short changed and is generally relegated to a secondary character.

    This would be funny if it weren't such a horrid and serious subject.

  • TheOldHippie
    TheOldHippie

    Robhic - In Germany, they were known under the name "Bible Students" for years after the change of name, it had stuck in people's minds and was used all thru the years of the terrible Nazi persecution.

  • Leolaia
    Leolaia

    I wonder if they stuck with the old name more because the Hebraic name was offensive to the Nazis?

  • chasson
    chasson

    Dear Leolia,

    I know that you have the power and the ability to make deep research on the subject of the history of JW.

    It is interesting that in Vindication II, Rutherford cite some letters of Rothschild's brothers send from London to an american's banker. I don't remember the exact page of this extract.

    It seems to me that Rutherford is quoting a typical antijewish's propaganda. I am interested to know where he has found his quotation. Perhaps, if someone can find the book of the Rutherford's quotation, we could see what kind of book Rutherford has read concerning the jewish's question ?

    Bye

    Charles

  • Leolaia
    Leolaia

    chasson...Yes, I do remember his extensive reproduction of the material on the Rothschilds. I'm looking into how this letter was represented in other literature of the time. Similarly, I am looking into the history of the "proverb" about New York ("The Jews own it, the Irish Catholics rule it, and the Americans pay the bills"), and have found many other versions of it, most including the Negroes into it (yes, the "proverb" itself is quite a slur). Meanwhile, Rutherford also made several other whopping statements about the Jews that Penton cites in his book. I'm trying to get my hands on these publications to see what he says firsthand...

  • Leolaia
    Leolaia

    From Rutherford's 1934 booklet Favored People:

  • Leolaia
    Leolaia

    And thanks, Atlantis, for scanning that for me!

  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat

    I am extremely disappointed in Leolaia's one-sided presentation. For instance, it is true that Christine King cites a Nazi source as attributing anti-Semitism to German Jehovah's Witnesses. On the other hand, King also wrote, in a later article in the Bulletin of the John Rylands Library, that in her personal research she encountered many stories of Jehovah's Witnesses helping Jews escape the Nazis. There are also published experiences of some Jews who became Witnesses as a result - so those ones at least could not have been mistreated by the Jehovah's Witnesses they met. I am sure there were some Witnesses who reasoned that, since the Jews rejected Jesus, they were rightly an oppressed people as a result. But I don't think most or many took it that far or condoned the treatment of Jews. From what I have read, some had the attitude: "that is a shame what is happening to the Jews, but they have only themselves to blame after all they rejected Jehovah - too bad, let us not make the same mistake", which is certainly a somewhat flawed perspective, but it is also rather to be distinguished from a more malignant view along the lines: "I am glad the Jews are suffering, they deserve all that they get, and I'll help out if I get the chance."

    Detlef Garbe has called the conduct of the Witnesses during the NS-regime "a ray of light in a dark age." No one has done greater research on the subject than him, and I have always found his judgements to be impecably fair. So much so that neither Jehovah's Witnesses nor apostates are entirely happy with his conclusions on controversial issues.

  • Leolaia
    Leolaia
    I am extremely disappointed in Leolaia's one-sided presentation. For instance, it is true that Christine King cites a Nazi source as attributing anti-Semitism to German Jehovah's Witnesses. On the other hand, King also wrote, in a later article in the Bulletin of the John Rylands Library, that in her personal research she encountered many stories of Jehovah's Witnesses helping Jews escape the Nazis.

    Was my citation of King one-sided? What you just wrote above is exactly what I quoted King as saying: (1) there are cases of Witnesses condemning the Jews as 'murderers of Christ' AND (2) there are cases of individual Witnesses helping Jews. If you missed that in my quote, you did not read it very carefully.

    BTW, my purpose is not to give a full picture of the whole affair but to shed light on something that is still little-known by many....Rutherford's anti-Jewish statements in the literature. The actual attitudes of individual German JWs of course varied considerably. There is no doubt that, as Garbe documents, there were many cases of JWs going out of their way to help Jews. My point is that this is not the whole story. That some were clearly anti-semitic and that the leadership itself made anti-semitic statements is clear. Paul Balzereit, branch overseer in Germany, was certainly just as bigoted as Rutherford, if one looks at his letter to Hitler and his version of Rutherford's Declaration, which goes much further than philosophical anti-semitism to express his agreement with the Nazi Platform, Section 24 (which expresses opposition to Jewish businesses which was realized via the Nazi boycott of Jewish businesses on 1 April 1933) and his criticism of the American boycott of Germany in response to the Nazi boycott of Jewish businesses. If that is how Balzereit expressed himself, and if other anti-Jewish statements were published in the literature by Rutherford from time to time, it is not a difficult inference to conclude that many other JWs held similar attitudes.

    Edit: I should also add that the above pertains only to the situation in 1933; the leadership came down very hard on the Nazis subsequently, and the publications in the later period also did much to expose the Nazi persecution of the Jews (tho anti-semitic statements did also appear from time to time).

    From what I have read, some had the attitude: "that is a shame what is happening to the Jews, but they have only themselves to blame after all they rejected Jehovah - too bad, let us not make the same mistake", which is certainly a somewhat flawed perspective, but it is also rather to be distinguished from a more malignant view along the lines: "I am glad the Jews are suffering, they deserve all that they get, and I'll help out if I get the chance."

    I agree that it is more accurate to say that the former was more representative instead of the latter (which also comes close to violating neutrality and basic Christian morality as well), as expressed by robhic as well in the first post to this thread. And JWs during the period of persecution also looked to Jews as a sympathetic people to witness to, with hopes of conversion to the movement. Such a "flawed perspective" however is anti-Semitic as well, as it blamed the Jews for their own perseuction and extermination...

  • Leolaia
    Leolaia

    The relevant excerpts from the Hitler Letter and the German version of the Declaration:

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