have you read the book 4ever?
carm
Jesus Papers?
by Carmel 29 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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unclebruce
Sounds like the guy wouldn't know a historian from a hysterical-nun
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aniron
If it is written by Baigent and Lee it will be well researched and clear sighted as well as nigh watertight in it's argument.
You mean that they listened to some nutty Frenchman who founded a make believe group called the "Piory of Sion"
Its was about watertight as the Titanic is.
Their previous works have rocked organised religion to it's foundatiions (though they never set out to do so).
Really! It may have cause a ripple. I read their book when it came out in c1982. Thinking it they might have had something. But it was all based on sheer specualtion, that certain events "may" have happened and playing about with words eg. "san greal" etc.
It had about as much impacted on me as reading a Watchtower magazine would today.
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unclebruce
What book are you talking about aniron?
If you have one shred of evidence against anything at all in 'the Messianic Legacy" please show and tell or even better write to the historians themselves. They like all good academics are open to correction. Then again you could just crawl back under your ignorance (slandering something you have no knowledge of or a misunderstanding of is silly at best).
Sorry by sweeping generalities just don't cut it with me. No one is saying these books are gospel or should be used as a basis for belief - just a worthy read. Most people here don't believe everything they read. What harm is there to the independant mind in considering historical events and other views well put.
You mentioned that you read a book about the prior of sion and gave it a thumbs down but surely you aren't saying the book should be banned or burned. I think you even read that book wrong - amoungst a good deal of indisputable research, it put forth a theory which the authors themdselves doubted. For me it's value lay in the information about the catholic church and the cathars. If nothing else it was a damn good read (better than most historical fiction anyway).
I know baigent and Lee have stired up a hornets nest of academics for and against but academia is a very argumentative ego driven place not easily open to fresh ideas or new boys on the block..
rather read 'em than burn 'em unc.
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sammielee24
I found the book at Walmart and Kmart stores but I finally ordered it from Amazon because it was almost ten bucks cheaper. Next one will be Woman with the Alabastar Jar. People can discount any of these books all they want - we have that option don't we?...but for myself, well, I see all of these books as providing us with 'food' for thought. Religion is a matter of faith and politics...and I guess it boils down to how much you trust or believe in the magic of either one of them.
sammieswife.
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candidlynuts
dateline profiled this book tonight.. i'm sure it will replay on msnbc soon.
interesting concept but his "proof" was documents that "someone else" held and he wouldnt tell the guys name or anything.so his credibility is in doubt in my mind.
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Maharishi
What's up with the lesbian pornography posted on here?
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XJW4EVR
Last night, after my meet-up with the JW elder, I stopped at a local bookstore (I had some time to kill before my bus home), and I saw this book. As I read the book jacket I laughed out loud. The author of this book is actually postulating that Jesus did not die! I guess when liberal Christians have no new arguements against Jesus, they have to "resurrect" the old ones, and not even particularly good ones, at that.
So I think that just for the laugh, I will check this book out from the library.
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unclebruce
So I think that just for the laugh, I will check this book out from the library.
Great - laughter is a wonderful medicine and opens up the synapses. Investigating the old heresy's has been good fun and much can be learned along the way (just because someone reads mien kemf doesn't mean they're a nazi).
The unofficial English anthem is based on the old heresy that Jesus never died on the cross but came west with Joseph of Aramathea who apparently walked the hills of non-roman Wales (truth often be stranger than fiction). Blakes Jerusalem And did those feet in ancient time
Walk upon england’s mountains green?
And was the holy lamb of god
On england’s pleasant pastures seen?
And did the countenance divine
Shine forth upon our clouded hills?
And was jerusalem builded here
Amongst these dark satanic mills?
Bring me my bow of burning gold
Bring me my arrows of desire
Bring me my spear: o clouds unfold!
Bring me my chariot of fire.
I will not cease from mental fight
Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand
Till we have built jerusalem
In england’s green and pleasant land.
Words: William Blake Music: Hubert Parry Singer: Billy Bragg. -
XJW4EVR
The unofficial English anthem is based on the old heresy that Jesus never died on the cross but came west with Joseph of Aramathea who apparently walked the hills of non-roman Wales (truth often be stranger than fiction).
Yes, I've heard that also. Most of the conservative scholars I have heard speaking on that subject, relegate those postulations to the British sense of self-importance, and their wish to be a part of Biblical history. Even if it means making up stories out of whole cloth!
But still, I'll read the book. I am never averse to mind candy.