To Anyone,
Could anyone help me out with commentaries regarding the following scriptures?
1 Samuel 15:2-4
Psalm 137:8, 9
The whole context is very disturbing. These are divine orders which observance was blessed! Thank you in advance!
Love of god? Why does god order to kill children?
by Godislove 9 Replies latest jw friends
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SickofLies
To Help others: Pslams 137:8,9
Daughter of Babylon, doomed to destruction, he will be happy who rewards you, as you have served us.Happy shall he be, who takes and dashes your little ones against the rock. (WEB)
O daughter of Babylon, that art to be destroyed, Happy shall he be, that rewardeth thee As thou hast served us. Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones Against the rock. Psalm 138 A Psalm of David. (ASV)
O daughter of Babylon, whose fate is destruction; happy is the man who does to you what you have done to us. Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones Against the rock. Psalm 138 A Psalm of David. (BBE)
Daughter of Babylon, who art to be laid waste, happy he that rendereth unto thee that which thou hast meted out to us. Happy he that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the rock. (DBY)
O daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy shall he be, that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us. Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones. (KJV)
O daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy shall he be, that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us. Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones. (WBS)
O daughter of Babylon, that art to be destroyed; happy shall he be, that repayeth thee as thou hast served us. Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the rock.(JPS)
O daughter of Babylon, O destroyed one, O the happiness of him who repayeth to thee thy deed, That thou hast done to us. O the happiness of him who doth seize, And hath dashed thy sucklings on the rock! (YLT)
1 Samuel 15:2-4
Thus says Yahweh of Armies,'I have marked that which Amalek did to Israel, how he set himself against him in the way, when he came up out of Egypt. Now go and strike Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and don't spare them; but kill both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.'" Saul summoned the people, and numbered them in Telaim, two hundred thousand footmen, and ten thousand men of Judah. (WEB)
Thus saith Jehovah of hosts, I have marked that which Amalek did to Israel, how he set himself against him in the way, when he came up out of Egypt. Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. And Saul summoned the people, and numbered them in Telaim, two hundred thousand footmen, and ten thousand men of Judah. (ASV)
The Lord of armies says, I will give punishment to Amalek for what he did to Israel, fighting against him on the way when Israel came out of Egypt. Go now and put Amalek to the sword, putting to the curse all they have, without mercy: put to death every man and woman, every child and baby at the breast, every ox and sheep, camel and ass. And Saul sent for the people and had them numbered in Telaim, two hundred thousand footmen and ten thousand men of Judah. (BBE)
Thus saith Jehovah of hosts: I have considered what Amalek did to Israel, how he set himself against him in the way, when he came up from Egypt. Now go and smite Amalek, and destroy utterly all that they have, and spare them not, but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. And Saul summoned the people, and numbered them in Telaim, two hundred thousand footmen, and ten thousand men of Judah. (DBY)
Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt. Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. And Saul gathered the people together, and numbered them in Telaim, two hundred thousand footmen, and ten thousand men of Judah. (KJV)
Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt. Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. And Saul assembled the people, and numbered them in Telaim, two hundred thousand footmen, and ten thousand men of Judah. (WBS)
Thus saith the LORD of hosts: I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he set himself against him in the way, when he came up out of Egypt. Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.' And Saul summoned the people, and numbered them in Telaim, two hundred thousand footmen, and ten thousand men of Judah. (JPS)
Thus said Jehovah of Hosts, I have looked after that which Amalek did to Israel, that which he laid for him in the way in his going up out of Egypt. Now, go, and thou hast smitten Amalek, and devoted all that it hath, and thou hast no pity on it, and hast put to death from man unto woman, from infant unto suckling, from ox unto sheep, from camel unto ass.' And Saul summoneth the people, and inspecteth them in Telaim, two hundred thousand footmen, and ten thousand 'are' men of Judah. (YLT) -
JamesThomas
People can discuss this stuff forever; but the simple problem is, is that you are attributing significance to an ancient tribal war god, that has no connection to reality.
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SickofLies
1 Samuel 15:3 The Hebrew term refers to the irrevocable giving over of things or persons to the LORD, often by totally destroying them; also in verses 8, 9, 15, 18, 20 and 21.
Pslams 137
Verse 8. O daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed ] Or, O thou daughter of Babylon the destroyer, or, who art to be ruined. In being reduced under the empire of the Persians, Babylon was already greatly humbled and brought low from what it was in the days of Nebuchadnezzar; but it was afterwards so totally ruined that not a vestige of it remains. After its capture by Cyrus, A.M. 3468, it could never be considered a capital city; but it appeared to follow the fortunes of its various conquerors till it was, as a city, finally destroyed.
Rewardeth thee as thou hast served us. ] This was Cyrus, who was chosen of God to do this work, and is therefore called happy, as being God's agent in its destruction. Greater desolations were afterwards brought upon it by Darius Hystaspes, who took this city after it had revolted, and slaughtered the inhabitants, men and women, in a barbarous manner. Herod. lib. iii.
Verse 9. Happy-that taketh and dasheth thy little ones ] That is, So oppressive hast thou been to all under thy domination, as to become universally hated and detested; so that those who may have the last hand in thy destruction, and the total extermination of thy inhabitants, shall be reputed happy- shall be celebrated and extolled as those who have rid the world of a curse so grievous. These prophetic declarations contain no excitement to any person or persons to commit acts of cruelty and barbarity; but are simply declarative of what would take place in the order of the retributive providence and justice of God, and the general opinion that should in consequence be expressed on the subject; therefore praying for the destruction of our enemies is totally out of the question. It should not be omitted that the Chaldee considers this Psalm a dialogue, which it thus divides: - The three first verses are supposed to have been spoken by the psalmist, By the rivers, &c. The Levites answer from the porch of the temple, in ver. 4, How shall we sing, &c. The voice of the Holy Spirit responds in ver. 5, 6, If I forget thee, &c. Michael, the prince of Jerusalem, answers in ver. 7, Remember, O Lord, &c. Gabriel, the prince of Zion, then addresses the destroyer of the Babylonish nation, in ver. 8, 9, Happy shall be he that rewardeth thee, &c. To slay all when a city was sacked, both male and female, old and young, was a common practice in ancient times. Homer describes this in words almost similar to those of the psalmist: - uias tÆ ollumenouv, elkusqeisav te qugatrav, kai qalamouv keraizomenouv, kai nhpia tekna ballomena proti gaih en ainh dhiothti, Æelkomenav te nuouv olohv upo cersin acaiwn.
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Narkissos
Yhwh was not "God" yet.
"God" was the end of Yhwh.
"Love" was the end of "God".
What will "Love" die into?
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toreador
Yhwh was not "God" yet.
"God" was the end of Yhwh.
"Love" was the end of "God".
What will "Love" die into?
When do we get to know the real God? And will the real God please step forward?
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yucca
This is at the time when the Babylonians destroyed the city and took the Israelites captive. The Babylonians are taunted them and jeering them to sing. The Babylonian soldiers took their babies out of the womens arms and took them by the heels and dashed their brains out. Because there is a just God some one will do the same to the Babylonians which is what they pray for. Cyrus the Great through his general did exactly to the Babylonians what the Babylonians had done to the people of Jerusalem.Its the law of retribution.
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Narkissos
Cyrus the Great through his general did exactly to the Babylonians what the Babylonians had done to the people of Jerusalem.
Apparently there was little bloodshed at the fall of Babylon, because there was an important pro-Persian party in Babylon (especially around the Marduk priesthood) which was only too happy to get rid of Nabonidus and welcomed Cyrus gladly as the new ruler.
Its the law of retribution.
Fortunately there are a lot of exceptions to this "law". Do you really think you will have to "pay" for the past collective crimes of your ancestors (such as the American colons against native Americans or African slaves, or colonialist powers such as the British or French empires)?
"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind." (Gandhi)
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gumby
"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind." (Gandhi)
" Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone" ( gumby)
*tries stealin jesus words*
Gumby