I've not read the WT article in its entirety. However, it seems disturbingly like Rutherford's vitriolic diatribes. ()
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May 15 WT - Survival depends on loyal association with the organization
by truthseeker 48 Replies latest jw friends
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minimus
"Logically, modern day ridiculers are kept out" of the ark or Organization. I believe THIS comment is the one we should be looking at. If you question (Wt speak:ridicule) then you will be kept out of the congregation, possibly quite literally.
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Smiles
Post-Armageddon duties... the WT has taught that congregation elders will rule as "princes" in the paradise earth after Armageddon. Isaiah 32:1
That would mean even MORE authority for them.
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brutusmaximus
I got hit with this when I called a PO the other night about a differnt matter, he said a new article brought out some changes and how that was good for the borg. So I said change is good is it? Yes was the answer and guess what the light gets brighter, what twaddle!! I asked how it could be good for those that refused transplants for their families to be told a few years later that it was ok to have them?? These ones have an eternal hope we must look at the bigger picture I was told. Again what utter garbage these people drive me nuts and no matter what you do you can't fully escape unless you remove yourself to a remote island which I don't want too do.
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MerryMagdalene
Ugh! Again and again, replacing Jesus with the organization.
Jehovah’s visible organization can use you, but can get along without you too. But you cannot get along without it. Fruitless ones are eventually pruned off and never missed as new ones are grafted in. Pruned-off branches soon wither and die, being cut off from the circulating, life-giving sap.
JESUS is the vine (John 15:1-8), NOT the organization.Their blasphemous arrogance continues to amaze me...
~Merry
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heathen
Yah , now aint that quaint . They want to play the role of the messiah . Excuse me but jesus has the book of life and is the only one that can condemn or save anybody. They sure do take the role playing game into a new genre don't they ? IMO the city of new jerusalem is noahs ark and only those that excape the GT by entering it will be saved .
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outoftheorg
So the wbts wants us to stay close to the life giving sap.
Well they are correct in one word and that is the SAP.
In the US the word SAP can also describe a person that is not all there or is idiotic in their actions and beliefs.
Usually used in the phrase "what a sap"
Outoftheorg
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moggy lover
Oh Crumbs!! Not again surely??
I remember this visiting overseer at a Cir Assy telling us that all prophecies that needed fullfiling were now fullfiled, and all that was needed was for jeeejoba to bring on the New World. In fact, said he breathlessly, the brothers were already preparing WT and Kingdom Ministry articles that would have relevance only in New World cicumstances !!!
And that was back in 1973!
Cheers
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uninformed
Scully Wrote:The point the WTS in particular and JWs in general seem to be oblivious to is that Jehovah can withdraw his approval from an organization that is not living up to righteous requirements.
Case in point, is the nation of Israel. Whenever they strayed from True Worship™, the prophets were sent to sound warnings to turn away from their reckless course of action and return to worshiping Jehovah in righteousness. When they refused to listen to the prophets, they caused offense to Jehovah, and ultimately it led to the destruction of Israel.
Why is the WTS so arrogant as to assume that they are not capable of offending Jehovah, and cause him to withdraw his blessing from the organization? They love to compare themselves to that 'original' "Organization", yet they refuse to accept that the comparison is a two-edged sword when the modern Organization is so far removed from truth and righteousness that it would be impossible for Jehovah to overlook the egregiousness and treachery of their ways.
Scully right on!!
Talk about arrogance! I have enclosed a statement that you might really enjoy that PROVES what you are talking about.
WT-8-1-97 Page 11 paragraph 8
God’s earthly organization today is far superior to the Jewish system with its temple. Granted, it is not perfect; that is why adjustments are made at times. But neither is it riddled with corruption, nor is Jehovah God about to replace it. Never should we allow any imperfections we perceive within it to embitter us or move us to adopt a critical, negative spirit. Let us, rather, imitate the loyalty of Jesus Christ.—1 Peter 2:21.
Notice!!!!!!!!!!!!! "NOR IS JEHOVAH GOD ABOUT TO REPLACE IT"
THEY SURE DON'T MIND TELLING US THAT JEHOVAH WOULDN'T EVEN DARE TO THAT TO THEM.
Note Romans 11: 19-21.
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You will say, then: "Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in." 20 All right! For [their] lack of faith they were broken off, but you are standing by faith. Quit having lofty ideas, but be in fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. 22 See, therefore, God’s kindness and severity. Toward those who fell there is severity, but toward you there is God’s kindness, provided you remain in his kindness; otherwise, you also will be lopped off. 23 They also, if they do not remain in their lack of faith, will be grafted in; for God is able to graft them in again. 24 For if you were cut out of the olive tree that is wild by nature and were grafted contrary to nature into the garden olive tree, how much rather will these who are natural be grafted into their own olive tree!Uninformed
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uninformed
Scully Wrote:
The point the WTS in particular and JWs in general seem to be oblivious to is that Jehovah can withdraw his approval from an organization that is not living up to righteous requirements.
Case in point, is the nation of Israel. Whenever they strayed from True Worship™, the prophets were sent to sound warnings to turn away from their reckless course of action and return to worshiping Jehovah in righteousness. When they refused to listen to the prophets, they caused offense to Jehovah, and ultimately it led to the destruction of Israel.
Why is the WTS so arrogant as to assume that they are not capable of offending Jehovah, and cause him to withdraw his blessing from the organization? They love to compare themselves to that 'original' "Organization", yet they refuse to accept that the comparison is a two-edged sword when the modern Organization is so far removed from truth and righteousness that it would be impossible for Jehovah to overlook the egregiousness and treachery of their ways.
Scully right on!!
Talk about arrogance! I have enclosed a statement that you might really enjoy that PROVES what you are talking about.
WT-8-1-97 Page 11 paragraph 8
God’s earthly organization today is far superior to the Jewish system with its temple. Granted, it is not perfect; that is why adjustments are made at times. But neither is it riddled with corruption, nor is Jehovah God about to replace it. Never should we allow any imperfections we perceive within it to embitter us or move us to adopt a critical, negative spirit. Let us, rather, imitate the loyalty of Jesus Christ.—1 Peter 2:21.
Notice!!!!!!!!!!!!! "NOR IS JEHOVAH GOD ABOUT TO REPLACE IT"
THEY SURE DON'T MIND TELLING US THAT JEHOVAH WOULDN'T EVEN DARE TO THAT TO THEM.
Note Romans 11: 19-21.
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You will say, then: "Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in." 20 All right! For [their] lack of faith they were broken off, but you are standing by faith. Quit having lofty ideas, but be in fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. 22 See, therefore, God’s kindness and severity. Toward those who fell there is severity, but toward you there is God’s kindness, provided you remain in his kindness; otherwise, you also will be lopped off. 23 They also, if they do not remain in their lack of faith, will be grafted in; for God is able to graft them in again. 24 For if you were cut out of the olive tree that is wild by nature and were grafted contrary to nature into the garden olive tree, how much rather will these who are natural be grafted into their own olive tree!Uninformed (double post by accident)