Disloyalty and Disfellowshipping - Why are they viewed differently?

by truthseeker 4 Replies latest jw friends

  • truthseeker
    truthseeker

    A number of people here have either gone through or are going through a judicial committee for apostasy.

    Some have reported simply fading from the meetings and being ignored, despite them not being disfellowshipped or disassociated.

    Others have said that a witness ignores them, even when his own kids are df'd.

    I can only imagine the pain you go through, but in order to understand this strange phenomenon better, it is necessary to know the difference between disloyalty and disfellowshipping, and why the dubs view it differently.

    Basically, people get disfellowshipped for messing up, and I'm not talking about apostacy. Dubs in general know that df'd is God's way of reproving them, and that they have a good chance of coming back.

    On the other hand, disloyalty is viewed in stark contrast to disfellowshipping. Even if you aren't disfellowshipped, if the dubs have knowledge that you are questioning the "faithful and discreet slave", they see you as a traitor, a potential apostate.

    An online dictionary defines a traitor as the following...

    1. One who violates his allegiance and betrays his country;
    one guilty of treason; one who, in breach of trust,
    delivers his country to an enemy, or yields up any fort or
    place intrusted to his defense, or surrenders an army or
    body of troops to the enemy, unless when vanquished; also,
    one who takes arms and levies war against his country; or
    one who aids an enemy in conquering his country. See
    Treason.
    [1913 Webster]

    O passing traitor, perjured and unjust! --Shak.
    [1913 Webster]

    2. Hence, one who betrays any confidence or trust; a
    betrayer. "This false traitor death." --Chaucer.

    Hence, if you are questioning the Society, and you're friends learn of it, they will see your attack on them as an attack on their spiritual family. Traitors are viewed as low life scum.

    You may not feel you are a traitor, but to many dubs you are if you question the Society, for to question the Society invites an attack on the dubs beliefs.

  • garybuss
    garybuss

    If Witnesses shun or snub me they are out of my life till I die. I don't care if they think of me as a tuna fish sandwich.

    The Witnesses live in a delusion, a world they did not create, but a world that they will protect. Cost calculated for protecting their make believe world is not a consideration. Money, convenience, comfort, happiness, and personal relationships are all dispensable. These are mentally ill people clinging on to an emotional life raft. Without the hope offered to them by the Society, they will die. Well, they think they will die.

    I don't think many of the elders, or ANY of the district servants, circuit servants, or organizational employees employed at the various branch offices, or the governing body are mentally ill. I think they are malevolent, unethical, selfish, and willfully mean.

  • Oroborus21
    Oroborus21

    that's a good point, truthseeker. Treason has always been a capital crime while other very serious crimes often receive lesser punishment. - Eduardo

  • dinah
    dinah

    It seems they are actively seeking out "inactive" ones to disfellowship them. I think that is the whole reason for them changing the announcement to the congregation to "so-and-so is no longer a Jehovah's Witness.

    Remember if you were baptised after 1984 (??) one of the questions you answered was if you understood your baptism identifies you as a member of the organization. SO basically I guess they would see it as treason if you don't agree with the FDS.

    Kinda makes me glad I got my disfellowshipping over with 20 years ago.

  • greendawn
    greendawn

    They greatly fear the so called apostates because they can seriously damage their dogmas which dogmas they can not protect for being so rotten IOW the apostates are a great threat to their position and status through what they can reveal to the R&F dubs. So they have to be kept at a safe distance.

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