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KW13

Well here is where i am at.

I have my mum coming home tomorrow and stepdad.

Got some choices to make, so here they are.

Speak to mum about JW's at some point, back to 607, UN Scandal, Lack of love and maybe more...
Speak to stepdad about JW's instead, UN Scandal would be the biggest impact, then the 607 e.t.c

Stepdad would possibly say its apostate (he's said that he doesn't tolerate my Apostate views in his house) but to show him from the UN site itself, what can he say?

Mum said that the UN are all in satans control, therefore its satan using that against them (how important can you think the Society are?? lol) and then she tried saying clearly some apostates had 'hacked' the site.

your thoughts if you would.

MidwichCuckoo

My first thought is......Do you need to raise these issues tomorrow?

lovelylil

I am sorry to say this but I have learned from past experience and the best thing I can say is this: Unless your mom and stepdad start preaching at you, you should not even bring the matter up. Because it will only alienate you from your mom. Talk about other things, rather than religion. And just wait until you are sure yuo have an opening to speak your mind, so she will not feel ambushed by you and that you only want to see her to tear down her beliefs. But, if she brings something up first that you can feel free to share how you feel. Just do it in a respectful way. You can say things like, well mom and dad, I can't in good conscience support the WT views becasue....... Or, I don't believe the WT is really speaking for God because ..................... (then bring out some of the many errors) See what I mean? Most likely, you wont get far if you start with them and they will only leave and be totally convinced that Satan is controlling you and they are right because you are persecuting them. You can also suggest that if they feel your views are wrong to please show you how you are wrong and to prove with they are saying OUTSIDE of the WT. Which of course they cannot do. Best of Luck. Lilly

KW13

Firstly lol, no i won't bring these up tomorrow.

Secondly i am aware that things are viewed as an attack and then apostate e.t.c and you find yourself out on your ear. fortunately i got quite far with stepdad who now has my e-mails on his PC (i was looking and found them) and i want to extend this further.

They started a lot of the stuff too, for example mum was on about church and then i proved her wrong on points...she told me "go check the British Musuem website" and "go get any encyclopedia" thinking they'd agree with her and they didn't!!!

it shocked her and stepdad and therefore giving me ground to work with.

lowden

Karl (i'll try again shall i?Dunno what happened there)

You're obviously a bright lad and whilst i can sympathise and agree with the other posters, you've got to do this in a measured and loving way too. We would all have our own line of argument/strategy with which to approach our loved ones and each one would affect the next person in a slightly different way. We also have to be careful we don't come across as anti-JW zealots. Personally i think the Mexico/Malawi scandal from the 1960's/70's is a peach of an argument, as detailed in Ray Franz's brilliant CoC. Whatever you do, good luck mate!

Peace to ya

Lowden

KW13

Ah, lowden i can't see what ya put lol.

*btw i appreciate the advice already given, i am gonna consider it all. i asked for your thoughts and i'm not just gonna wait till someone says what i wanna here. thanks for your comments e.t.c*

MidwichCuckoo

You are in the best place to judge the situation (and you know your Mum and step-dad, and can probably guess any reaction from them). YOU have facts (607 etc), but THEY are on their guard and I'm assuming your step-dad is doubly so (he is in 'competition' for your Mum in more than one way). You need to be one step ahead - your 'parents' have a loyalty toward each other.

KW13

ah i can see now lowden, thanks! midwichcuckoo, that makes a lot of sense. i shall keep that in mind!

sass_my_frass

Remember that there isn't a rush... life isn't a car race; first over the line wins. Take your time, be gentle on yourself and your mum. Just because we believe different things to our parents, it doesn't mean we love them any less.

I sometimes wish I'd had the patience required to work on my mum, but it would take a lifetime. We are each responsible for our own happiness, your mum included. Your first priority should be to make sure that you are okay. This kind of self-centredness doesn't come naturally to any JW, but in times like this it should be a safety mechanism.

Hang in there pet, we've all got your back.

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