Bonham, Texas

by TweetieBird 16 Replies latest jw friends

  • TweetieBird
    TweetieBird

    In another thread, someone stated:

    "Also, a few years ago the WTBTS was burned badly, albeit on a small scale, with the Bonham, Texas congregation declaring independence and siezing their own Kingdom Hall in the process. Since then, the WTBTS has taken the appropriate legal steps to make sure that if any congregation splits, the assets will still belong to those faithful to the WTBTS. An exception might occur if nearly an entire circuit splits and all the JWs whose names are on the circuit holding corporation band together in opposition to the WTBTS. Even then, there still might be legal hurdles in taking the property away from control of the WTBTS."

    I found this completely fascinating! I am in my early 40's, raised a dub and never heard this before. I was so in the dark.

    I just wonder what else I have missed.

    As they say, enquiring minds want to know.

    "By doubting we come at truth" -Cicero

  • Amazing
    Amazing

    Hi Tweetie: The Bonham, Texas issue took place between 15 and 20 years ago. Here is some important history and the legal premise that lead to the Bonham issue:

    The Watch Tower Society originally claimed to be a publishing corporation, nad various Bible Student groups merely suscribed to their literature and much of the beliefs. This was during Charles Russell's presidency. They met in homes, and stated that they always would operate this way. Each group elected Elders, but there was not 'official' ties to the Watch Tower corporation.

    In the 1930s J. F. Rutherford forced all the 'Ecclesias' (Bible Stident congregations) to register with the Society to maintain their affiliations, thus creating an organized religion (something that Russell condemned as being part of Babylon the Great.)

    [bTwo very important facts remained: 1. Each congregation still owned its own property as a non-profit association or corporation in their respective states. 2. The Society continued to claim that they had no clergy distinction, and thus no heirarchy. (The Society legally claimed that they were a 'congregational' organization and not a heirarchial organization.) The Roman Catholic Church, for example is Heirarchial, with a Pope, Cardinals, Bishops and Priests, and the Chruch owns everything. The Southern Baptists, on the other hand, are Congregational. Each congregation is totally independant, and can tell the central convention to get lost if they wish.

    What happened in Bonham, Texas?: The body of elders and the majority of the congregation decided to leave the Watch Tower organization. And with that, they took the Kingdom Hall. The rremaining JWs and the Society sued in court to recover the Kingdom Hall. For the first time in its history the Watch Tower Society made two important arguments: 1. They were now a Heirarchial like the Catholic Church, with the Governing Body, Branchs Overseers, District Overseers, Circuit Overseers, and Elders appointed by the Society. 2. The Society as a heirarchy, therefore, had the rightful tital to the Kingdom Hall.

    This was a serious departure from all their previous claims, and is among the many issues that impressed upon me that the Society was no longer what it claimed to be.

    The result?: The Society lost because the Bonham congregation ws able to prove that the Society was a historically a 'congregational' organization, and as such had no legal tital or interesst recorded on the deed. The Society was unable to establish legal interest.

    The Subsequent Changes: Among many changes to establish legal interest was to start getting recorded on deeds as the first position leinholder when making remodel and quick build loans. (I can recall the days when we would get remodel loans from the Society, but nothing was ever recorded on the deeds.) The Society started a group insurance program for all Kingdom Halls, ostensibly to provide lower cost premiums, but also this showed an interest in each property.

    And, while I did not follow the corporate changes after this, I understand that the Society started holding the deeds to local Kingdom Halls or at least assuring that each congregation was so established that its corporate by-laws would preclude losing the property if the congregation opted out of its Watch Tower affiliation.

    IN some religious affiliations, even though each congregation is independent, they will have corporate congregation by-laws that dispose of a church should its membership be reduced by a certain percentage. This prevents the few remaining members from getting the wealth should a church come to its demise. Rather, once a certain low membership is maintained for a period of time, then the church property becomes the property of some pre-selected charity, or the religious convention they were part of.

    What did the Society do?: While, I have no doubt that the Society set up some arrangements as a result of Bonham, Texas, it was, nevertheless, done very slowly over a long time. Even by the mid to late 1980s, long after the Bonham decision, my own Kingdom Hall was solely owned by the local members as a Non-Profit Association in the State of California. The Society had no legal tital or interest in the Hall. Our remaining loan was not recorded against the property. SO, this process has taken them a long time, and even after I moved to Oregon in the late 1980s, our Kingdom Halls that we attended were still locally owned. BUt I understood that new 'Quick-Builds' were being set up with a different deal. I left in 1992 and have not followed this aspect - exactly. But some of the property deed research I have done reveals that the Society does not yet own all the Kingdom Halls. So they are still vulnerable in some respects should a local congregation decide to otp out of its affiliation with teh Watch Tower Society.

    Circuit Holding Corps.: I am not aware that the Circuit Holding Corporations are for owning Kingdom Halls, but rather, for the ownership and operation of Circuit Assembly Halls. If they are being used to hold local Kingdom Hall property, then this is a new one on me.

    Other State and Regional Corps.: Oftentimes local corporations will be set up by the Society to establish a legal base on which to rent stadiums and other facilities for conventions. The local corporation will engage in the negotiations and obtain the necessary permits, liability insurance, etc. Then, if something bad happens, resulting in serious injury to hundreds or thousands of people, then the Society will not be directly liable - at least they hope that it works that way. A good, but mean, injury lawyer might be able to penetrate the local corporations and nail the Society in New York.

    IN some states a corporation must have stockholders or own property, so in some cases in order to incorporate in a given state, the Society might have to technically issue some stock or buy a house to use for its offices. But, in other states, a non-profit corporation only has to register with 3 officers, and can use any address for its registered agent.

    The Significance of Bonham: While the legal ramifications and actions taken by the Society are not 100% certain, the moral, ethical, and mostly "historical" implications were monumental. The Society moved from a lose groups of unofficial Bible Students to a highly organized heirarchial religion just like the Roman Catholic Church in almost exactly 100 years from its inception. It wnet from condemning organized religion as being part of Babylon the Great to becoming the model of organized religious corporation, just like the Catholic Church - the Society grew up to be just like her mom.[/b]

    Amazing

  • Englishman
    Englishman

    Amazing,

    I believe that there have been other breakaway congregations besides Bonham. A case in point was the Bishops Waltham congregation in Hampshire, England. Although details were hushed up, the whole congregation was dismantled and the publishers split between Fareham, Tichfield and some congregations in Southampton to dilute the impact. Publishers were told that continuing to attend meetings in Bishops Waltham would result in their DF'ing. There was no KH issue as the congregation were hiring a meeting hall.

    ..... fanaticism masquerading beneath a cloak of reasoned logic.

  • Amazing
    Amazing

    Hi Tweetie and Englishman:

    First, Tweetie, you can read about the Bonham, Texas issue in either Crisis of Conscience or In Search of Christian Freedom books by Ray Franz. I just forget which it is in. I recall that Ray produced some documentation that showed the Society's shift from a 'congregational' government to a 'heirarchial' church government.

    Englishman, I was not aware of the congregational split you mention happening in the UK, but I am not surprised. There have been several such splits in the USA and elsewhere. The Bonham issue was somewhat unique in that real property and building were involved. And when the Society loses assets, they get far more excited and concerned just like their mommy, Babylon the Great. - Amazing

  • voltaire
    voltaire

    Any idea if the Bonham group(congregation? Just what do you call it?)is still functioning? Do they go out in service? I don't suppose it's real easy to exchange speakers with nearby congregations.:)

  • Dino
    Dino

    Hello all!! Tweetiebird, The glorious Bonham incident occured in mid-1986. Since it is public record in the area, I will mention the name of the brother who got the ball rolling against the society. What a man! His name was Ralph Deal. Back in those days the society allowed a totally different legal structure for the governance of the local congregation. There were TRUSTEES who looked after the interests locally. If I remember right, there were a total of three families who followed Deal in the schism. But since the Kingdom Hall property was legally in effect deeded to the trustees, the WT had no legal leg to stand on. From that time on congs were all incorporated under the WTBTS of New York (in the US).Local elders are elected to hold the offices of president, vice-pres, and secretary by the local body of elders.Today the hall involved is a duplex apartment and the local cong. is still affected by all that went on back in 1986 from what I hear. But it is still fully functioning with about 60 pubs. Ciao for now Dino

  • Pork Chop
    Pork Chop

    You can still have Trustees even though the legal corporation route is preferred.

    I can't say for sure but I've talked to people that knew Deal personally and they said he was the worst Pharisee you ever laid eyes on. Most of the people that went with him were financially dependent on him.

  • Skimmer
    Skimmer

    Quote: "he was the worst Pharisee you ever laid eyes on."

    Hey! The WTBTS "education" program really works! Obviously, he learned from the masters.

  • teejay
    teejay

    Hey, Pork Chop. You said that, you "can't say for sure but I've talked to people that knew Deal personally and they said he was the worst Pharisee you ever laid eyes on."

    Question: were those people Witnesses?

    tj

  • Dino
    Dino

    Hey Pork Chop, I called an ole' bud in Sherman Tx, which is about 25 miles west of Bonham. He said the exact same thing about R.D. People just plain hated the arrogant fellow according to him. BTW Pork Chop , I wonder if we know each other. I hail from Big D. Dino

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