That does take alot of nerve to go to a funeral and wreak havock of that sort . I can understand the sentiment of anti war and anti gay tho . Just because David slew goliath is not a reason for a christian to feel obligated to go to war for their country, z . As you did quote scripture stating that you should bless those cursing you and love your enemy but you seemed to be a little confused on what the bible is saying. Christians are hypocritical in that area . I thought the video showed a very strange way to express themselves . Almost jw type thinking , but they don't thank God for aids or 911 .
this is scary how these people sound almost dubbish
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That does take alot of nerve to go to a funeral and wreak havock of that sort .
No kidding! I don't agree with the war in Iraq, but I would NEVER do what she did! That was just cold and inexcusable.
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Did you get a look at her eyes? Freaky. You know, it doesn't surprise me. She is Baptist. In my experience they are some of the most judgemental people I know. When I was a little girl my mom dated a black man. We would get all kinds of prank phone calls about it and I answered one time and the man on the other end used such foul language with me, an eight year old at the time. Cursing and calling my mom a nigger lover. My mom crabbed the phone and had a few things to say to this man and she recognised the voice as one of the Decons from the local Baptist church. When I was fifteen, I joined that Church and while in it found out that many of the Decons were members of the KKK. I left after I found that out.
One of my neighbors once mentioned that she moved here from Hagerstown MD and also that she was a Baptist and invited me to her Church. I went with her one time. Well anyway. I soon found myself doing some work for this man and his wife who were also from Hagerstown, MD. When I saw this woman again, I mentioned to her that I met another couple from the same town she is from and that I did some work for them. She asked a bunch of questions about them and it came up that they were a black couple. Her attitude changed real quick. She asked me if they paid me cash for my work. I said no, they gave me a check. She had the nerve to tell me I had better be carefull because the check might bounce. I actually rolled my eyes and told her, "P****, just because they are black doesn't mean they write bad checks. I also told her that she can't be much of a Christian that she claims to be if she is rasist and reminded her of the verse about all being accepted who put faith in him.
These days I tend to stay as far away from Christians as I can. Most of them are just to hypocritical and judgemental for me.
Sorry for the long post, it's just that this lady set me off.
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http://www.phelpschartered.com/ShirleyLPhelpsRoper.htm
Shirley L. Phelps-Roper has been with Phelps-Chartered since 1972. She earned her B.A. in Criminal Justice in 1979 from Washburn University in Topeka, Kansas. In 1981, she received her Juris Doctor from the Washburn University School of Law. Shirley is currently licensed to practice before all Kansas Courts, State and Federal, the United States Court of Appeals for the 10th Circuit, and the United States Supreme Court.
During the 1980’s Shirley focused primarily on trial work in the areas of employment discrimination, civil rights, and constitutional law. Today, she is the office manager for Phelps-Chartered, handling administrative and accounting matters. While the majority of her time is focused on this endeavor, she also handles cases involving tax law and estate planning.
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Damn, there are tons of search hits on this. Here is one of many:
http://www.rickross.com/reference/westboro/westboro26.html
Revival meeting changed Phelps' path
Daughter says leader of Topeka hate group is misunderstood
The Boston Globe/November 30, 2004
By Derek SpellmanIt was the early 1940s, and Fred Phelps Sr. was seeking an outlet for his intellectual gifts.
At age 16, he had graduated from his high school as valedictorian and had secured an appointment to the U.S. Military Academy from President Truman.
But the academy's age requirement - it would not accept anyone under 17 - left him with some time to travel. It was then that he came upon a religious revival meeting.
During the revival, Phelps decided to forgo plans for West Point. He enrolled at Bob Jones College in Cleveland, Tenn., for ministerial training.
Ordained as a minister by the Southern Baptists, he later established Westboro Baptist Church in Topeka, Kan., and became its pastor in the 1960s.
Shirley Phelps-Roper, of Topeka, in a telephone interview Monday, told the story of her father, now 75, and what set him on the path that would make him one of America's most virulent foes of homosexuality.
Signs stating "God hates fags," "Thank God for Sept. 11" and "Turn or burn" have become a hallmark of his followers' demonstrations. Phelps, who for a time was a lawyer, has since been disbarred. His daughter said 11 of his 13 children have attended law school.
The Web site for Westboro Baptist Church has an online memorial devoted to Matthew Shepard, a gay Wyoming man who was brutally beaten to death in 1998. Phelps' group protested at Shepard's funeral, and the online memorial keeps count of the days - 2,241 as of Monday - since his death and descent "into hell."
Phelps was not available for comment Monday, but his daughter said people have been misled by the controversy and scrutiny surrounding her father. Phelps is not consumed by hate but is a generous man, she said.
"You will never find a kinder people than here," she said of the Westboro church.
Others say the church's shrill rhetoric and obscenities have cemented its reputation as a collection of extremists.
"He doesn't seem to be effectively reaching people," said Paul Cates, director of public relations at the American Civil Liberties Union office in New York.
In fact, the tactics of the Westboro church usually do not earn followers but produce the opposite effect, Cates said.
Phelps' protesters were vastly outnumbered by opponents when they protested Sunday at Joplin churches and Monday at Webb City High School.
But Phelps-Roper said the Westboro church, which has a regular following of about 100 people, is steadfast in its beliefs.
The congregation rejects mainstream church practices such as passing around collection plates during worship. The Phelps family pays for its campaign against homosexuality through work instead of patronage, Phelps-Roper said.
"We don't ask for money," she said.
The church's tactics have left a number of people baffled by its motives. Some people who witnessed or opposed the protests Sunday and Monday said they could not speculate as to whether members of the Westboro church genuinely believe in their preaching.
"You'd have to believe it to spend this much time (on it)," said David McKibben, a member of the First Baptist Church of Joplin.
Cates said that while the church's invective can make it seem to be a radical fringe group, the rhetoric can influence people who are ambivalent about homosexuality.
"Sometimes it does make people think," he said. To see more documents/articles regarding this group/organization/subject click here.
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Gore Political Ties to "God Hates Fags" Founders Uncovered
Gore and Wife Tipper Headlined Fundraiser at Phelps' Topeka Home; Phelps Family Reportedly Invited to Clinton-Gore Inaugurations in 93 and 97http://www.logcabinwa.com/archive/200010251159.shtml
October 25, 2000
(WASHINGTON) Reports linking Vice President Al Gore with notorious anti-gay activist Fred Phelps, Jr., and the Westboro Baptist Church in Topeka, Kansas were confirmed with the release of photographs showing Gore at a fundraiser at the home of Fred Phelps, Jr., who told the Conservative News Service on October 16 that he served as a Gore delegate on the floor of the Democratic National Convention in Atlanta in 1988.
Fred Phelps (left) and Al Gore (center)
Fundraiser at Phelps Home
Topeka, Kansas
Left to right: Fred Phelps, Tipper Gore, Betty Phelps, Al GoreGore, who was quoted by the Nashville Tennessean in 1984 saying homosexuality is not "an acceptable alternative that society should affirm" and said in his 1984 U.S. Senate race that he would not accept money from gay rights organizations and that he opposed a "gay bill of rights," reportedly sought the support of the Phelps family in his 1988 presidential campaign, and invited the Phelps' to the Clinton-Gore inaugurations of January 1993 and January 1997.
The Westboro Baptist Church runs a website called "www.godhatesfags.com" which includes virulent anti-gay statements and attacks on Jews and Catholics. The site calls the religious right "lukewarm cowards" and has an animated photograph of gay murder victim Matthew Shepard surrounded by flames, with a statement entitled "Matthew Shepard's Message from Hell." The Phelps family has gained international notoriety for picketing the funerals of gay people with signs that say "God Hates Fags."
Fred Phelps, Sr., pastor of the church, told CNS that the 1989 fundraiser held at his son's home was for Al Gore, and published several photographs on the church website to substantiate it, including one showing Gore and his wife Tipper arm-in-arm with Fred and Betty Phelps. Phelps, Sr. also told CNS that he provided office space and staff accommodations for Gore campaign staffers in the 1988 campaign.
Phelps, Sr. told CNS that Gore "looked us in the eye and gave us assurance, that, based on his Bible beliefs, he was against the homosexual agenda and the killing of babies."
"No one argues that Gore had an anti-gay record in the past. However, if it is true that he was allied with Fred Phelps as recently as 1997, then Al Gore's got a lot of explaining to do," said Rich Tafel, executive director of Log Cabin Republicans. "At this time the sources are themselves questionable, so the Vice President can end this mystery by denying any relationship with Phelps now. Most troubling is the charge that Al Gore invited Fred Phelps to his inaugurations as Vice President in 1993 and 1997. That was less than three years ago. We need some answers."
Fred Phelps, Jr. also ran for Governor of Kansas in the Democratic primary in 1990, winning over 11,000 votes and placing third.
Log Cabin Republicans is the nation's largest gay and lesbian Republican organization, with state and local chapters nationwide, a full-time national office and a federal political action committee.
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JamesThomas
Compared to the deceitful nature of main stream Christianity that hides the murderous wrath of their deity under a thick sugary coating of love, I found Shirley's honesty somewhat refreshing.
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I like honesty myself but this is an outright attack on freedom and it really does sound like a hate group . I don't like the government either but as you can see they were trying to run for office where they planned to organize a campaign against gay people . Now it looks like Al Gores dirty little secret is out . I believe people should have the right to be in public without being barraged with hate speech in a free society .
Good job posting that SF and others .
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its even scarier how you seem illiterate in comparison
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cyd0099
its even scarier how you seem illiterate in comparison
This from a troll without the basic understanding of capitalization or punctuation.