NEWSFLASH!!!! CATHOLIC CHURCH OKS CONDOMS!!!! (page 2)

Sunnygal41

HOLY SHITE, ANEWME..........if this is true........this is BIG! Another shrine of patriarchal religious society shattered.............

Well, it may take Rome forever to change, but at least they change. For Catholics, waiting on Jehovah just might have some meaning. ~~On the otherhand, the Orthodox never prohbited condoms in the first place.~~ They leave matters of conscience alone.

Jim Whitney

Correction: Because Orthodoxy is reluctant to get into areas of personal conscience, I confused current policy to apply to the historical position of the Orthodox Church on birth control. I made a mistake. My impression of Bishop Kallistos is that while he was a widely accepted authority, he did not speak for the entire Eastern Orthodox church. My impression of Orthodoxy is that they are reluctant to get into personal affairs of members. they are, but they have made some rulings at times, of which I was not aware. Here are some useful links:

One article stated,

"Likewise, when it comes to birth control, we can see an obvious shift of moral ground in Bishop Kallistos’ views. Whereas in 1963, His Grace said that artificial contraception was forbidden in the Orthodox Church, he now remarks that "today a less strict view is coming to prevail" (p. 296). This is an area in which there really are differences of opinion even among Traditionalist Orthodox, and on which it is probably best to avoid making bold pronouncements. But it is manifestly unwise to challenge a widely accepted standard—that of clear opposition to the free use of contraceptives by Christian couples—with what is "trendy" or "is coming to prevail." This is not an Orthodox view of how the Church comes to guide its Faithful." Retreived from: http://www.orthodoxinfo.com/phronema/review_toc.aspx

Then in another Orthodox discussion, I read the following:

"At the end of his book, The Faith, among the books listed by Mr. Carlton in his recommended reading list(for the advanced reader) is, The Sacrament of Love, by Paul Evdokimov published by St. Vladimir's Seminary Press. In Evdokimov's section on birth control he quotes Father V. Palachkovsky: "'…In the opinion of the confessors, the entire domain of the relations between husband and wife is too intimate to provoke investigation by the priest… the latter not wishing to penetrate the intimacy where the unity of two in one flesh is accomplished and where the presence of a third is superfluous, even when invested with the priesthood and if only by his questions. (as quoted in The Sacrament of Love, pp. 175-176)'" Retreived from: http://www.orthodoxinfo.com/praxis/frluke_newage.aspx

Jim Whitney

greendawn

And they were saying that the new pope is ultra conservative. For the catholics it's a sin to waste the sperm since it has life and it's meant to conceive.

AuldSoul

Yeah, greendawn. If no sperm were wasted every woman who got pregnant would give birth to billions of identical twins. Such an argument is silly, although I know people who still use it.

Respectfully,
AuldSoul

KW13

its about time, glad they did.

maryelizabeth

I'm curious to your source...I am PROUDLY Catholic and I haven't heard this...

***Yeah, greendawn. If no sperm were wasted every woman who got pregnant would give birth to billions of identical twins. Such an argument is silly, although I know people who still use it.***

This line of thinking is also silly. (not trying to be rude here). If you understand the whole procreative process, there is one sperm that fertilizes one egg (unless it's an instance of twins, whether fraternal or identical- I'll explain if I need to...but for length sake, will not at this time)...There is no unnatural prevention of fertilization. No sperm are wasted b/c there is only one egg to fertilize. Not all sperm live to reach the egg, hence several are released at once. Let me know if I need to explain this further.

As for the argument of billions of identical twins...identical twins are produced when one sperm and one egg are split into two persons. It is a natural process that has to do with genetics. Fraternal twins are created when there are more than one egg released by the woman and they both are fertilized- also due to genetics. ...

*** Another shrine of patriarchal religious society shattered.............***

Not quite. Like I mentioned before, I'd like to know the source.

I'll post again as soon as I go back and read the other ones that were left..

maryelizabeth

***I guess they are allowing sex before marriage.***

No, Brooke, they are not. Never have, never will. Interestingly, that is one of the arguments against birth control. That if a person uses it, they will feel like it's okay to engage in immoral behavior b/c there won't be a consequence to it.

As an interesting side note, it would be worthy to mention that ALL churches, not just the RCC, were against contraception until the 1930's.

***I hate to be grim but maybe the ratio of African Catholics dieing of aids was outnumbering the number of added births in areas without condoms.***

Statements like this are just plain inflammatory. They serve no other purpose than to try to bolster a lacking argument. Not to mention the fact that the CC has always been about life, not death.

***In this way they seem to contradict their earlier research which supposedly showed that condoms do not protect you from HIV.***

Again, I'd like to know a source.

***The ban is one example of religious hypocrisy, anyway. 90% of Polish, Irish or Italian catholics don't give a damn about this doctrine.***

Just because someone doesn't practice what they are taught, doesn't mean the RCC is hypocritical. It means that the decision rests on the individual and their conscience. I myself used contraception at one point in my life because I didn't know why the RCC was against it. I did things that were not right and when I researched why the RCC felt the way it did (it was not about numbers), I changed MY way of thinking. So, if anyone was a hypocrit, it would've been me. The RCC has been steadfast in her belief from the beginning. If you want to look at this way, I'm sure it's difficult for the Church to be unwavering in her beliefs in a culture/time that bashes somebody for sticking with it. She has not bent to peer pressure even if others have.

Having said that, the RCC is concerned about the spread of HIV/AIDS. I think many would agree that the best way to prevent the spread sexually, is to not engage in immoral behaviors in the first place. I can't speak for the RCC about a marriage situation. I'd be happy to research it if you'd like.

***Oh man, and the condom ban was their best source of new members***

Sorry, but for lack of a better way to say it, this is just an ignorant statement. I know several couples that are not Catholic that don't believe in contraception, that have several kids. Matter of fact, one is due with number seven in Nov. I also know several people that do use contraception that have several kids. They do not have their children for the sake of numbers, they have them for the sake of love.

Gosh Elsewhere - I'm impressed (and a little scared) with the condoms you use.

What can I say... the ladies seem to like it.

NEWSFLASH!!!! CATHOLIC CHURCH OKS CONDOMS!!!!

Sunnygal41

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greendawn

AuldSoul

KW13

maryelizabeth

maryelizabeth

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MidwichCuckoo

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