Still pointing your Finger when having a Rafter in your eye? (page 7)

truthseeker100

Your'e not going to get my goat splash. I think it's time for a little self reflection your part. The posts I read tonight scream of "quiet desperation", perhaps that's why you post self aggrandizing braggadacio on an anonymous board like this.

Island Man

truthseeker100, you had better know your place if you don't want me telling you how your Mother™ fornicated with the UN; and denied (in the country of Mexico) being married to her Husband™ for purely materialistic reasons.

truthseeker100

Laughing out Loud Island Man

Splash

If you want to know if I'm self aggrandizing, please read my other posts - there are plenty to choose from. In this instance I wanted to divert the 'athiest' accusation up front.

I'm not interested in esteem or position in the JW's or from internet forums. I'm interested in exposing the high control statements, flip flopping teachings, untenable doctrine, and outright falsehoods of the organisation.

Being 'in' has advantages not available to those who are 'out', and difficult as it may be in the short term, there are numerous reasons why many who are mentally out still remain in.

PS, if you have any questions about the CA or DC baptism process, I'll be happy to fill you in.

Splash

JakeM2012

Internet Troll

An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion. (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Internet+Troll)

At Bethel we used to use the Theocratic Warfare Expression, "Shit Stirrers" for someone like Doc House , but we cleaned it up and abbreviated the expression and just called them S.S. er's, so we would not stumble any newbie's or publishers touring WTBTS factories and offices. Sometimes we would just call them to their faces axsholes.

Just Saying

truthseeker100

Splash

Your last post seemed a little more contrite or Christian if you prefer. I know why people stay in , their trapped by family and fear of loss of their being able to associate with them. Maybe I struck a chord with you tonight. You have to realize that many on this site have had their lives disrupted and very adversely affected by the WBTS. I hope I didn't say any thing on this post that offended you too much. I hope it will just make you think.

P.S. All who are reading this I think Cofty is a really smart and good guy

Magnum

DocHouse: Magnum- it is common knowledge that the bigger an organization gets (Church, Government, etc), the more it is hamstrung by division, corruption- and its own rules.

Take the U.S. for example. It owes more money to Red China that it can EVER pay back. It's like someone out of control with their credit card. They have so many laws it takes a lawyer to manipulate them. There is no unity- except greed.

With OUR organization- 8 men call the shots. And look at some of the nonsense they spout- and how they set rules that help most, harm a few, and sometimes go AGAINST scripture. Yet, they have the SAME OBJECTIVE we ALL have- to honor God & Christ.

Now, by contrast- look at Churchianity; they corrupt EVERY SINGLE BIBLICAL TRUTH, making mockery of the Bible.

You stated that organizations have more faults and make more mistakes than individuals. You made a general assertion and I asked you to prove it because I don't think it's true. I don't even really know what it means or how one would quantify and rate faults and mistakes in order to make a judgement as to whether it's true. The quote above does not prove it. What you assert is a fuzzy concept that is not clearly defined and would be difficult to prove one way or the other.

it is common knowledge that the bigger an organization gets (Church, Government, etc), the more it is hamstrung by division, corruption- and its own rules.

If that is common knowledge, I don't agree that it should be such. It depends on the structure, etc. of the organization. But supposing that it is true, it doesn't prove that organizations are more at fault and make more mistakes than individuals. Suppose there are 100 corrupt men in a 1000-man organization. In what way could it be said that the organization is more at fault or more corrupt than the individual men?

Take the U.S. for example. It owes more money to Red China that it can EVER pay back. It's like someone out of control with their credit card. They have so many laws it takes a lawyer to manipulate them. There is no unity- except greed.

That doesn't prove your point, either. So the U.S. has made some bad financial moves. How does that prove that organizations have more faults and make more mistakes than individuals? Do you know how many individuals in the U.S. have made bad financial moves? Do you know how many have gone bankrupt, who have bad credit histories, who are in extreme debt, etc.??? You haven't proven a thing.

Your arguments are ridiculous. You say "They have so many laws it takes a lawyer to manipulate them." OK, so how does that show that organizations have more faults and make more mistakes than individuals?

There is no unity- except greed.

But is it not the individuals that make up the government that are greedy? How is it that the organization is more greedy than the individuals? Supposing that is true about the U.S. government, how does that prove your general assertion that organizations are more at fault and make more mistakes than individuals. I can show you a white alligator, but that doesn't prove that all alligators are white.

Your whole point is to defend the JW organization by saying that organizations have more faults and make more mistakes than individuals, so the JW organization should be given some allowance for its faults and mistakes. However, I still disagree and contend that you have not proven your assertion that organizations have more faults and make more mistakes than individuals. As I've already said, I don't even really know what that means and how one could quantify and rate faults and mistakes in order to be able to make such a definite, black-and-white assertion.

I do agree that it seems that as organizations grow, they can become more bulky and complex and their functionings can become more complicated, but that doesn't prove that they have more faults and make more mistakes than individuals.

I say that a large organization should be given less allowance for mistakes, etc. because of its checks and balances, approval procedures, etc. A wrong statement made in print and approved by an organization that has (or should have) multiple proofreaders and multiple approvals should be forgiven less than one made by an individual - either orally or in print.

sowhatnow

wow, lol, I just read every post here, and have not a freaking clue what the heck is being discussed,

let alone asked. i just had to reply out of morbid curiosity. yes you may giggle and call me naive.

what nonsense is this? mr docHouse WHAT are you asking? use plain english. what is the whole point of this post? seriously, more riddles here than in the bible itself. troll? or not, what is your question? and omg what are these answers? secret codes, lol.

let me say this. I am here now, after having no one in the org with any claimed intelligence in jw doctrine, answer my questions for the past 20 years, learning by myself, how people may reason on some things, as to understand, and get a hearing ear possibly. i accept what makes sense to me personally. and this post sure makes no sense.

i can honestly say, I have never accused or pointed a finger at anyone, I have no rafter in my eye, never have. who is my accuser? I have none.

im not df, i have been 'ignored' out of the jw org . Im sure no matter what good i did, it will never be remembered the moment someone who is a jw learns that I know more about what is wrong than right in the org.

no one, not even the Lord. not even God , accuses me of a thing. I am innocent to any 'sin'.

I sleep at night.

[So people what the heck?]

truthseeker100

I leave up to you all what did you think of that debate ?

Finkelstein

The real entailing problem with JWS is that they have been brainwashed to support and to further extent believe every doctrine that gets created by the WTS leaders even though they have shown to be indulgently corrupt and amateurish in bible theology and that those expressed doctrines were intentionally devised to proliferate the organization's published goods.

JWS are brainwashed to think they are serving god(Jah) when in reality they are serving the needs and marketing of the Watchtower Corporation.

As it realized the Gospel via the WTS, is not the Gospel set out by the bible for its inherently tainted with commercialism.

Still pointing your Finger when having a Rafter in your eye?

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