I know this might sound abit "harsh" but I think it is time ex-jw's, new born agains, or people just interested in the Bible put a stop to this "believe"in the Trinity doctrine or go to eternal flames" madness. Alot of innocent young one are being emotional damaged by this Burn in Hell fiasco. Just like the WTS "no blood"policy and if you take a Blood transfusion you will be announced "no longer one of JW's" and shunned by your family and friends, the Hell fire doctrine does alot of damage to the innocent mind on several levels. First it makes Almighty God to be a "Hitler" trying to make everybody on the same mind. Hitler wanted a "pure" race and anybody that did not fit into that catergory was considered unworthy of living and was put to death. Born-Again Christians have the same mindset in that they "refuse" to accept anybody else's belief system and has sent all non-BAC's to a fiery Hell for all eternity. People that find trouble accepting a "fiery hell" are labeled "heathens" "heretics" "not christians" "man of lawlessness" and so on. When asked by their followers of how a God of love can torture people in a fiery hell? Many born-agains will generally answer God disciplines those that disobey him". But the general question comes to mind of any loving parent is Would a loving parent discipline their child by putting their hand in a fire over the stove for disobedience? Many born-again christians that I have talked to said "that would be evil to do your own child like that" But the born-again just cannot see the anaology when it is applied to Jehovah and the Hell fire doctrine. They are quick to point out that a "loving" Jehovah God "burned" Sodom and Gommorrah and destroyed the world with a flood in which many babies died. They have sarcastically asked me the same question "Would a loving parent "drown"their baby for disobedience? I must admit this is a good counter argument that Hell-fire advocates bring up. I know I would not drown my baby for disobeying me. But I always answer them with Jehovah wants us to serve him out of love not fear. If we serve Jehovah out of fear than that is not true "worship" but coercion. With the Hell-fire/die at Armaggeddon threat people are really just robots. I am just sick and tired of the "Trinity"doctrine being shoved down my throat everytime I attend a Christian Church or Christian gathering. I am sick and tired of the "Hell-fire" doctrine being shoved down my throat everytime I go to a Christian Church. I am sick and tired of we are the only ones that are "saved" everytime I go to a Christian Church. I have been to many so before posters out there start telling me to go to another church or "my church is not like that" believe me I have been to more Christian Churches since I left the JW's then most Christians have been to. And I would say 95% if not more all force the "Trinity, Hellfire, we alone are true christians, down my throat and I am just sick of it. I love Jehovah, Jesus and the Bible but I am really considering never stepping foot into another religious organization from here on now.
What is the % of Born-Agains Christians that tell you "Trinity" or else die
by booker-t 20 Replies latest jw friends
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Tea4Two
brooker-t.....AMEN to that! I have relatives who are born again so they THINK! When I left the WTS two of them tried every which way to have me believe in the "Trinity" and "Hellfire" ......NO THANKS!
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Honesty
Born-Again Christians have the same mindset in that they "refuse" to accept anybody else's belief system and has sent all non-BAC's to a fiery Hell for all eternity. People that find trouble accepting a "fiery hell" are labeled "heathens" "heretics" "not christians" "man of lawlessness" and so on. When asked by their followers of how a God of love can torture people in a fiery hell? Many born-agains will generally answer God disciplines those that disobey him".
Sounds like you have been listening to some religious zealots.
The bible says, " What should we say then? Is there injustice with God? Absolutely not! For He tells Moses: I will show mercy to whom I show mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion. So then it does not depend on human will or effort, but on God who shows mercy. For the Scripture tells Pharaoh: For this reason I raised you up: so that I may display My power in you, and that My name may be proclaimed in all the earth. So then, He shows mercy to whom He wills, and He hardens whom He wills. You will say to me, therefore, “Why then does He still find fault? For who can resist His will?” But who are you—anyone who talks back to God? Will what is formed say to the one who formed it, “Why did you make me like this?” Or has the potter no right over His clay, to make from the same lump one piece of pottery for honor and another for dishonor? And what if God, desiring to display His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much patience objects of wrath ready for destruction? And [what if] He did this to make known the riches of His glory on objects of mercy that He prepared beforehand for glory— on us whom He also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles? As He also says in Hosea: I will call “Not-My-People,” “My-People,” and she who is “Unloved,” “Beloved.” And it will be in the place where they were told, you are not My people, there they will be called sons of the living God. But Isaiah cries out concerning Israel: Though the number of Israel’s sons is like the sand of the sea, only the remnant will be saved; for the Lord will execute His sentence completely and decisively on the earth. And just as Isaiah predicted: If the Lord of Hosts had not left us a seed, we would have become like Sodom, and we would have been made like Gomorrah. Romans 9:14-29 (HCSB)
It also says, " This is the message of faith that we proclaim: if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. With the heart one believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth one confesses, resulting in salvation. Now the Scripture says, No one who believes on Him will be put to shame, for there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, since the same Lord of all is rich to all who call on Him. For everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved. Romans 10:8-13 (HCSB)
Scripture also is pretty clear about how we should feel about others:
“Do not judge, so that you won’t be judged. For with the judgment you use, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Matt 7:1-2 (HCSB)
God doesn't force anything on us as individuals. He allows us to choose our future.
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stillajwexelder
100% in my experience
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LittleToe
Sounds like someone is a little hyper-sensitive to such topics...
Here's one "born-again Christian" (for want of a better title) who doesn't believe the trinity doctrine is essential for salvation, nor that Hell is a literal fire.
Sorry Stilla, just blew your stat
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booker-t
Honesty I totally agree with you when you state that God does not force anything upon us. But when you are dealing with Born-Again Christian churches that think they have the monopoly on the truth then it does not have to do with God at all. The church is telling members that they are going straight to hell for not accepting the Trinity, Hellfire doctrines. Any born-again christian that tell me that they don't believe a person does not have to accept the trinity, hellfire doctrine in order to get to heaven then I would "lick their boots" because I know from person experiece 12 years going to the baptist church, pentacostal church, church of christ(they are the worst) lutheran church, fred price's church, holiness church, etc; they all teach trinity, hellfire. So I know that would be a lie if a born-again came up to me and claimed "we don't believe that"
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LittleToe
Now, now, get up, you'll get your rags all dirty!!!
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Honesty
But when you are dealing with Born-Again Christian churches that think they have the monopoly on the truth then it does not have to do with God at all. The church is telling members that they are going straight to hell for not accepting the Trinity, Hellfire doctrines. Any born-again christian that tell me that they don't believe a person does not have to accept the trinity, hellfire doctrine in order to get to heaven then I would "lick their boots" because I know from person experiece 12 years going to the baptist church, pentacostal church, church of christ(they are the worst) lutheran church, fred price's church, holiness church, etc; they all teach trinity, hellfire. So I know that would be a lie if a born-again came up to me and claimed "we don't believe that" booker-t
Anyone who tells you that they have "absolute" or "The" 'TRUTH' or anything resembling it is a cult-in-the-making.
I am a BAC. While I do believe in a conscious eternity without Christ, I also believe in a conscious eternity with Christ. What either is like, I don't know.
As far as the Trinity, that is up to you to believe or disbelieve.
The bible only says that If we confess with our mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in our heart that God raised Him from the dead, we will be saved.
Pretty simple, if you think about it. Maybe a bit too simple for some folks, aye?
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lovelylil
I consider myself "born again" for lack of a better term, actually spirit begotten would be better. And I never believed in the trinity or hellfire. Not even when I was raised a Roman Catholic. Revelation 21:8 tells you that the "lake of fire" simply is the second death. Or death with no hope of a resurrection. As far as the trinity, that is open to interpretation but I personally believe having experienced it that it is God's influence on believers. Hope this helps, good post.
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Mary
I am sick and tired of the "Hell-fire" doctrine being shoved down my throat everytime I go to a Christian Church. I am sick and tired of we are the only ones that are "saved" everytime I go to a Christian Church. I have been to many so before posters out there start telling me to go to another church or "my church is not like that" believe me I have been to more Christian Churches since I left the JW's then most Christians have been to. And I would say 95% if not more all force the "Trinity, Hellfire, we alone are true christians, down my throat and I am just sick of it. I love Jehovah, Jesus and the Bible but I am really considering never stepping foot into another religious organization from here on now.
Maybe you should try the Jewish faith. I'm pretty sure they don't teach the Trinity.
Seriously though, maybe you should try a more mainstream religion. I know that most of the Christian religions teach the trinity (which I've never believed), but I think the main stream ones aren't as insistent as what they used to be about believing everything 100%.
Alot of BAC tend to be very emotional and breath fire and damnation, so in some ways, they're very much like the WTS in the fact that they believe that they and they alone have "the truth" and quite often will not listen to reason.
Simple answer: steer clear of the fundies.