I found this and am in total agreement. Feel free to answer the Questions.

by jw 155 Replies latest jw friends

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  Hellrider

  JW:

  Where does it say Jesus????

  Get the f...out of here! Are you seriously saying that "the Word" (logos) in John 1.1 is not referring to Jesus Christ? If so, then you are not in agreement with neither your beloved Watchtower Society (even they admit that the Logos refers to Jesus), nor the rest of christianity. Also, by denying this, you are ignoring so many passages in the NT that I don`t even know where to start:

  Colossianss 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation,

  1:16 for all things in heaven and on earth were created by him – all things, whether visible or invisible, whether thrones or dominions, whether principalities or powers – all things were created through him and for him.

  1:17 He himself is before all things and all things are held together in him.

  Revelation 19:13 He is dressed in clothing dipped in blood, and he is called the Word of God.

  The trinity-doctrine arose because of the (seeming) contradictions between passages like the one you quoted, and passages like Isaiah 40:28, and all the passages from the New Testament, in which the creating is attributed to Jesus Christ aka the Word.

  Have you even read the Bible?
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  KW13

  The Society say avoid apostate sites, literature and the apostates themselves. Why are you here? To cause trouble?

  As a JW you are taught the fight is God's, not your own. Why are you therefore engaging in these conversations?

  Jesus said not to judge others because by that token, you too would be judged. Why are you judging the motives of us all?

  The Watchtower Society HAVE NO DOUBT made mistakes, even things contrary to the Bible. They definitely predicted the end of the system which not even Jesus claimed to know. Does your conscience not worry about this?

  They have failed to admit they were wrong, rather some nonsense called "new light" which excuses their mistakes that they had made. False prophets we were told, would arise and mislead many. Looking at the Organizations record...What sets them from the rest?

  The 'annointed' 144,000 in Revelation were said to be Male and VIRGINS. Why aren't those in the Org fitting this criteria? If these factors are 'symbolic' then surely so is the number.

  Only the 144,000 partake. In John it tells us as disciples to partake. Even if you think the Org have this right, What is the solid basis for this?

  The United Nations Scandal. I've already linked you to it, yes you could say they are being used by Satan but what they are saying is a BIG DEAL and the Watchtower Society (were it NOT true) would be in a great position to deal with it and sort it out. They have lawyers for goodness sake!! Do you think that this mistake is ok? The criteria of them being an NGO meant that they had to support the UN Charter. For a long time they have called it the disgusting thing. No new light to flash here!

  The Bible for believers is about a future promise (for you, its a paradise i presume). The whole point about it was the promise of Jesus coming. Why do the Society concentrate on 'a chosen org' and/or channel where in 1Timothy says God -> Jesus -> Us. ?
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  ferret

  jw I cannot find in my bible where it says to pray to Jehovah. I think some old fart in Broolyn thought that up.
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  greendawn

  JW I think you are genuinely concerned but you don't seem to realise that the ex JWs have a lot of backing from the scriptures when it comes to proving that the JWs are not the true religion they claim to be. The whole issue is very broad but I am sure if you wish to debate on it and demand biblical proof for our anti JW beliefs you will be provided with them.
  
  We genuinely do not believe that the WTS is God's channel on earth or that they have the truth.
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  rebel8

  Please read Piaget's discussion of the stages of psychological development, especially the part about concrete thinking.
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  jw

  Jedi Master

  Here is what I learned about love this weekend at a Methodist Church which is good advice right from the scriptures:

  9 Then shalt thou call, and the LORD will answer; thou shalt cry, and He will say: 'Here I am.' If thou take away from the midst of thee the yoke, the putting forth of the finger, and speaking wickedness;
  ? ??????? ??????? ?????????, ???????? ??????? ????????????; ??????? ?????????? ???????, ???????????? ?????????????.	10 And if thou draw out thy soul to the hungry, and satisfy the afflicted soul; then shall thy light rise in darkness, and thy gloom be as the noon-day;
  ?? ???????? ??????, ???????, ????????????? ????????????? ?????????, ????????????? ????????; ?????????, ?????? ?????, ?????????? ?????, ?????? ???-?????????? ???????.	11 And the LORD will guide thee continually, and satisfy thy soul in drought, and make strong thy bones; and thou shalt be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters fail not.
  ?? ??????? ??????? ???????? ??????, ???????? ????-?????? ?????????; ??????? ???? ?????? ??????, ???????? ????????? ????????.	12 And they that shall be of thee shall build the old waste places, thou shalt raise up the foundations of many generations; and thou shalt be called The repairer of the breach, the restorer of paths to dwell in. ---------------------- Philippians 2:1 | ei <1487> {IF} tiV <5100> {ANY} oun <3767> {THEN} paraklhsiV <3874> {ENCOURAGEMENT [THERE BE]} en <1722> {IN} cristw <5547> {CHRIST,} ei <1487> {IF} ti <5100> {ANY} paramuqion <3890> {CONSOLATION} agaphV <26> {OF LOVE,} ei <1487> {IF} tiV <5100> {ANY} koinwnia <2842> {FELLOWSHIP} pneumatoV <4151> {OF [THE] SPIRIT,} ei <1487> {IF} tina <5100> {ANY} splagcna <4698> {BOWELS} kai <2532> {AND} oiktirmoi <3628> {COMPASSIONS,} 2 plhrwsate <4137> (5657) {FULFIL} mou <3450> thn <3588> {MY} caran <5479> {JOY,} ina <2443> {THAT} to <3588> auto <846> fronhte <5426> (5725) {YE MAY BE OF THE SAME MIND,} thn <3588> {THE} authn <846> {SAME} agaphn <26> {LOVE} econteV <2192> (5723) {HAVING,} sumyucoi <4861> {JOINED IN SOUL,} to <3588> {THE} en <1520> {ONE THING} fronounteV <5426> (5723) {MINDING} 3 mhden <3367> {NOTHING} kata <2596> {ACCORDING TO} eriqeian <2052> {CONTENTION} h <2228> {OR} kenodoxian <2754> {VAIN GLORY,} alla <235> th <3588> {BUT} tapeinofrosunh <5012> {IN HUMILITY} allhlouV <240> {ONE ANOTHER} hgoumenoi <2233> (5740) {ESTEEMING} uperecontaV <5242> (5723) {ABOVE} eautwn <1438> {THEMSELVES,} 4 mh <3361> {NOT} ta <3588> {THE THINGS} eautwn <1438> {OF THEMSELVES} ekastoV <1538> {EACH} skopeite <4648> (5720) {CONSIDER,} alla <235> {BUT} kai <2532> {ALSO} ta <3588> {THE THINGS} eterwn <2087> {OF OTHERS} ekastoV <1538> {EACH.}

  ----------------------------------------------- 20 umeiV <5210> de <1161> {BUT YE} ouc <3756> {NOT} outwV <3779> {THUS} emaqete <3129> (5627) {LEARNED} ton <3588> {THE} criston <5547> {CHRIST,} 21 eige <1489> {IF INDEED} auton <846> {HIM} hkousate <191> (5656) {YE HEARD} kai <2532> {AND} en <1722> {IN} autw <846> {HIM} edidacqhte <1321> (5681) {WERE TAUGHT,} kaqwV <2531> {ACCORDING AS} estin <2076> (5748) {IS} alhqeia <225> {[THE] TRUTH} en <1722> tw <3588> {IN} ihsou <2424> {JESUS;} 22 apoqesqai <659> (5641) umaV <5209> {FOR YOU TO HAVE PUT OFF} kata <2596> {ACCORDING TO} thn <3588> {THE} proteran <4387> {FORMER} anastrofhn <391> {CONDUCT} ton <3588> {THE} palaion <3820> {OLD} anqrwpon <444> {MAN,} ton <3588> {WHICH} fqeiromenon <5351> (5746) {IS CORRUPT} kata <2596> {ACCORDING TO} taV <3588> {THE} epiqumiaV <1939> thV <3588> {DESIRES} apathV <539> {OF DECEIT;} 23 ananeousqai <365> (5745) {TO BE RENEWED} de <1161> {AND} tw <3588> {IN THE} pneumati <4151> {SPIRIT} tou <3588> nooV <3563> umwn <5216> {OF YOUR MIND;} 24 kai <2532> {AND} endusasqai <1746> (5670) {TO HAVE PUT ON} ton <3588> {THE} kainon <2537> {NEW} anqrwpon <444> {MAN,} ton <3588> {WHICH} kata <2596> {ACCORDING TO} qeon <2316> {GOD} ktisqenta <2936> (5685) {WAS CREATED} en <1722> {IN} dikaiosunh <1343> {RIGHTEOUSNESS} kai <2532> {AND} osiothti <3742> thV <3588> {HOLINESS} alhqeiaV <225> {OF TRUTH.} 25 dio <1352> {WHEREFORE} apoqemenoi <659> (5642) to <3588> {HAVING PUT OFF} yeudoV <5579> {FALSEHOOD,} laleite <2980> (5720) {SPEAK} alhqeian <225> {TRUTH} ekastoV <1538> {EACH} meta <3326> {WITH} tou <3588> plhsion <4139> autou <846> {HIS NEIGHBOUR,} oti <3754> {BECAUSE} esmen <2070> (5748) {WE ARE} allhlwn <240> {OF ONE ANOTHER} melh <3196> {MEMBERS.} 26 orgizesqe <3710> (5744) {BE ANGRY,} kai <2532> {AND} mh <3361> {NOT} amartanete <264> (5720) {SIN;} o <3588> {THE} hlioV <2246> {SUN} mh <3361> epiduetw <1931> (5720) {LET NOT SET} epi <1909> {UPON} tw <3588> parorgismw <3950> umwn <5216> {YOUR PROVOCATION,} 27 mhte <3383> {NEITHER} didote <1325> (5720) {GIVE} topon <5117> {PLACE} tw <3588> {TO THE} diabolw <1228> {DEVIL.} -------------------------------------- This is great advice, But I have not Judge no one here mere observed verbal rhetoric!
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  Genesis

  jw, which posts ? Im curious
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  KW13

  JW. Could you please answer my questions fully?
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  jw

  For the umteeth time the wts knows I am posting here!
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  Jim_TX

  Blondie's posted link to Tim's web site proves that this 'jw' fella is a fraud.

  If you compare the two texts, you will see that they are identical - even to the same mis-spelled words.

  This 'jw' fella is therefore declared to be a troll, with no original thinking.

  Regards,

  Jim TX