I don't know if their is anything at all that will ever help some people get out.
Sad to say, but it's true that not everyone can be helped.
Is this the ultimate question to ask a JW?
by jwfacts 27 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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looking_glass
There are certain psychological illnesses that when a therapist or a doctor starts to question the patient, that patient shuts down. They stop listening or processing the information. It is their self preservation process. Even if they are wrong or it is hurtful, it is all they know and the loss of it frightens them in a subconscious way.
I think this applies to JWs. Anyone who really does stop to consider the question will most likely pull out the whole faith or trust in Jah card. Why, because maybe they are frightened that it is not right or the religion is not the end all be all, but what else do they have. Their whole identity will be crushed and then they will cease to exist.
I think in the end, unless a JW decides to look into the religion, it will not matter what someone says to them that will rattle the cage, they will continue to believe it. What percentage of people left the WTBTS because someone posed a question to them? My guess is that the majority of people left when they were ready to do it and they started looking into things themselves, not questions that were posed to them.
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hubert
There is a book on line that covers this very subject, by Don Cameron, called "Captives of a Concept", and it deals mainly with the Faithful and Discreet Slave, and 1919.
It's downloadable for only 5 bucks. Don posts on this site, and you can find the book at Lulu.com, also. Just do a search for it, and you should find it. I have it, and love the book. It's very informative and accurate. It may not make miracles, but I think it's what you need, if you are planning a talk about 1919 and Jesus picking the W.T.
Hubert
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hubert
I think in the end, unless a JW decides to look into the religion, it will not matter what someone says to them that will rattle the cage, they will continue to believe it. What percentage of people left the WTBTS because someone posed a question to them? My guess is that the majority of people left when they were ready to do it and they started looking into things themselves, not questions that were posed to them.
True, but if you bring up things then someday they might come across the same questions that you asked earlier, and they might think about it even more and it might help them to decide to check it out.
That's my theory, anyway.
Hubert
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Panda
Wow if it were only that simple. Many dubs have no idea how to even explain 1919 never mind actually try to fathom it out. They just know what they've been taught MUST be the truth. Amen. So they'd actually need to ask for stuff like this from their own curiosity.
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Highlander
True, but if you bring up things then someday they might come across the same questions that you asked earlier, and they might think about it even more and it might help them to decide to check it out.
That's my theory, anyway.
Hubert
Yep,, what do the Jdubs call it? Planting seeds? If we can plant our own seeds, someday they may grow.
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jwfacts
It is true that no amount of reasoning works with a JW if they are not ready for it.
The way to prime a JW mind is for them to know that their religion is no different to any mind control group. I spoke to my father for the first time since i was d/f on Sunday, and discussed at length the way so many of my friends are being shunned by their parents, some for 20 years now, and asked if this is normal Christian behaviour.
He has agreed to read Combatting Cult Mind Control. It is after he realises that JWs manipulate using the same techniques every other cult does that i plan to start using these questions.
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Dirks Retort
Goodluck with this strategy JWFacts. Your father is an educated guy who will hopefully realise he is part of a cult.
From what I gather it is one of your favourite books. Is it easy reading for those with a short attention span?
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jwfacts
Is that a picture of you Dirk, you look Kenyan from behind?
I only just finished the book last week, so it is top of my mind. It is very easy reading, if you could understand the Awake! you could understand this.
The reason I think it is an essential part of deprogramming someone is that it clearly shows that discussing doctrine is an uphill battle. But to understand that there are thousands of religions that;
- believe only they have truth
- say you must not question the leader
- that Jesus is not your mediator
- demand former members must not be spoken to
- say the leaders have a special channel to God
can make a person realise that they are not special, unique and so start to openly question the leaders authority, rather than fight tooth and nail to defend every word they say.
Once they are in the correct state of mind they will then be receptive to examining the unjust falsehoods and hypocrisy of the religion.
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plmkrzy
Has anybody read this? And if so have any comments about it?
Melchizedek or the Secret Doctrine of the Bible - 1919
Author(s): Grumbine, J. C. F.
ISBN: 1564599108
Format: Paperback
Pub. Date: 3/1/1997
Publisher(s): Lightning Source Inc