Scriptures You Will Not Hear at the 21-05-06 Church Sermon. (page 2)

A Paduan

Why not ?

Peter denied him - perhaps John didn't - I think Thomas wouldn't have of it - others kept faith

seems quite resonable to me - like you put forward - some wouldn't even taste of death before he was back - sounds pretty soon

A Paduan: I wonder what kind of time lapse there was between Matthew 16:28, and the alleged post-resurrection encounters? A year at the most, maybe? It strikes me as bizarre to foretell something so soon in the future, by saying: "There be SOME standing here, which SHALL NOT TASTE OF DEATH, till they see the SON of man coming in his kingdom." Jesus is saying that only SOME of his audience would still be alive when he "comes in his kingdom". The implication of this is that MANY of them would have died out before that time arrives. Does this not indicate to you that Jesus was anticipating that much more than one year would elapse before he would 'come in his kingdom'?

Shining One

>"But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel till the SON OF MAN BE COME." ( Matthew 10:23 )
"For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. Verily I say unto you, there be some standing here, which SHALL NOT TASTE OF DEATH, till they see the Son of man COMING IN HIS KINGDOM." ( Matthew 16:27,28 )
"And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.....Verily I say unto you, THIS GENERATION SHALL NOT PASS TILL ALL THESE THINGS BE FULFILLED. ( Matthew 24: 30,34 )

LOL, Scout you little, ignorant bugger. This is APOCALYPTIC language being used by Jesus. Much of the Bible is in this language as prophecy that is not recognized as fulfilled until after the events took place. His followers then and today know it's purpose and it predicted the end of the temple and Jewish worship at it. Jerusalem was vanquished in 70 A.D. and two million Jews perished int he war that lasted four years. Christians got out of Jerusalem in heeding the warning.
>Apocalyptic cult leader prophesies falsely.
Literalistic ex-JW is more confused than ever.
Rex

Shining One

Scout likes to stick foot firmly in mouth before investigating any scripture....
Rex

Shining One

>Jesus is saying that only SOME of his audience would still be alive when he "comes in his kingdom". The implication of this is that MANY of them would have died out before that time arrives. Does this not indicate to you that Jesus was anticipating that much more than one year would elapse before he would 'come in his kingdom'?
What makes you an expert? You are obviously not trained nor schooled in 'Biblical Studies' of any type. Oops, I forgot, "The education Witnesses get from reading all of our literature is equal to a college degree."
Rex

scout575

Shining One: Was Matthew 24:30 fulfilled by 70 AD ? This would be part of the, 'all things that would be fulfilled' before Jesus' listeners would die off ( verse 34 ).

A Paduan

It strikes me as bizarre to foretell something so soon in the future, by saying: "There be SOME standing here, which SHALL NOT TASTE OF DEATH, till they see the SON of man coming in his kingdom.

before the cock crows

in three days I will rebuild this temple

There are plenty of "soon" fortellings

scout575

A Paduan: If the British queen wanted to visit Australia, and announced her intention to visit by saying something along the lines of: "Verily I say unto you, there be SOME standing here, which shall NOT TASTE OF DEATH, till they see the British queen visiting Australia", would people be expecting her visit to be in a MERE year's time ( the approx time between Matthew 16:28 and Jesus' alleged post-resurrection appearances )? Clearly, in just ONE YEAR after her announcement, MOST and posssibly ALL of those having heard her announcement would still be alive. but she said that only "SOME" of her listeners would still be alive when she visits Australia. Clearly, she anticipates making the visit in more than just ONE YEAR'S time.

A Paduan

If she said "taste of death" instead of "still be alive", and if she normally spoke in spiritual terms rather than literal it would be a different matter - that's an ill-fitting analogy

scout575

A Paduan: Hebrews 2:9 says: "But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the SUFFERING OF DEATH, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should TASTE DEATH for every man." Here, 'TASTING DEATH' is equated with, "SUFFERING DEATH". At Matthew 16:28, does 'TASTING of DEATH', mean something else? If so, what?

Scriptures You Will Not Hear at the 21-05-06 Church Sermon.

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