Did anyone see the "purple triangle" movie-thingy?
How many JWs were the victims of the Third Reich?
How many JW died in the concentration camps?
by LDH 33 Replies latest jw friends
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LDH
I love it babe, but it doesn't say how many??? died in the concentration camps.
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nelly136
norm did a break down on that for kents site the cache is still active :)
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nelly136
norms article from watchtowerobserver.org
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*** g01 5/8 pp. 12-13 Could the Holocaust Happen Again? ***
Could the Holocaust Happen Again?
The Holocaust and Jehovah’s Witnesses
In 1933, there were about 25,000 of Jehovah’s Witnesses in Germany. Thousands of them were among the first people to be thrown into Nazi camps and prisons. They declared their neutrality as Christians toward all kinds of political and military activity. They did not heil Hitler. They refused to accept the Nazi racist ideology and to share in Hitler’s war machine. About 2,000 died, more than 250 of them by execution.
Here are the real numbers:quote:
*** yb74 212 Germany (Part One) ***
“A total of 6,019 had been arrested, several two, three or even more times, so that, all together, 8,917 arrests were registered. All together they had been sentenced to serve 13,924 years and two months in prison, two and a quarter times as long as the period since Adam’s creation. A total of 2,000 brothers and sisters had been put into concentration camps, where they had spent 8,078 years and six months, an average of four years. A total of 635 had died in prison, 253 had been sentenced to death and 203 of these had actually been executed. What a record of integrity!”
As we can see it wasn’t 2000 dead, it was 635, and 203 was actually executed not 250.
How about the supposed number of Jehovah's Witnesses in Germany in 1933, 25,000?
It is no doubt a padded number. Look at the following quotes:quote:
*** w71 1/1 16 Have You Entered the Great Contest of Faith? ***
35 In 1932 when the last report was received from Germany and before the ban was placed on Jehovah’s witnesses, there were 14,453 sharing in the Kingdom declaration.
g75 2/22 22 — Yet among the 19,000 German Jehovah’s witnesses in 1933, “a higher proportion (97 per cent) suffered some form of persecution than any of the other churches.”
Notice the number given for 1932, 14,453, an exact number. Then in the next quote it is suddenly a nice round figure of 19,000, a sudden increase of some 4547 people in a year when the Witnesses were banned? But 19,000 weren’t enough, so how do you “cook the books” to inflate the number even more? The Watchtower Society used the old trick, feed some “historian” on the outside of the Watchtower Society some wrong numbers and when they print them just quote the wrong numbers. Then voila, they are not “our numbers” but they are elevated to the work of an “historian” which has done “research”. This is exactly what happened with the number of Witnesses on Germany in 1933, just look at this:quote:
*** g95 8/22 10 The Evils of Nazism Exposed ***
Why were Jehovah’s Witnesses so well acquainted with the concentration camps? When World War II started in 1939, there were already 6,000 Witnesses confined in camps and prisons. German historian Detlef Garbe estimates that the Witnesses constituted at that time between 5 and 10 percent of the total camp population! At a seminar on the Witnesses and the Holocaust, Garbe stated: “Of the 25,000 persons who admitted to being Jehovah’s Witnesses at the beginning of the Third Reich, about 10,000 were imprisoned for any length of time. Of these, over 2,000 were admitted to concentration camps. This means that the Jehovah’s Witnesses were, with the exception of the Jews, the worst persecuted by the SS of all the religious based groups.”
No one in the Jehovah's Witnesses camp ever bothered to tell Garbe the simple fact that the number of people present at the “celebration of the Lord’s Evening Meal” is far from being Jehovah's Witnesses all of them. The total number of Witnesses being imprisoned was as the above quoted yearbook tells us:quote:
***yb74 212 Germany (Part One) ***
“A total of 6,019 had been arrested, several two, three or even more times, so that, all together, 8,917 arrests were registered.”
But with the help of this “historian” which they in turn had provided with false numbers the Watchtower Society were able to inflate numbers again and that seem to be of overall importance to them regarding the Nazi years.
Now, did you notice the title of the article quoted above, “Could the Holocaust Happen Again? I wonder why they ask such a question in the year 2001. I mean do the people that write these articles published in the Watchtower literature ever read their own magazines?
Of course the Holocaust will happen again, not only will it happen again, but every Jehovah's Witnesses live for the day it will happen, they pray for it to happen, the next Holocaust can simply not come too soon for them!quote:
*** w59 6/15 p. 375 Witnesses Persevere Behind the Iron Curtain ***
Oh, this will be a terrible day for mankind! In the holocaust of Armageddon will perish not only Satan but all those who are in league with him—in the first place, of course, the unbelievers, which means you and me, reader! But it will not stop at us. The majority of believers, since their faith is not the true one, are also doomed to mass destruction. The only ones who will be saved, and who will live in felicity on earth forever, will be the members of the religious sect of Jehovah, also known as ‘Witnesses of the Lord Jehovah,’ also known as ‘Students of the Holy Scripture.’ So that is what Armageddon means. Prepare yourselves, and tremble!
*** g71 11/22 p. 4 Awake from Sleep!—Why? How? ***
In these perilous last days of this wicked system of things it is imperative for you to stay awake if you would not be one of the victims trapped in the fire of the coming “great tribulation,” a holocaust far more consuming than that at Saint-Laurent-du-Pont. To help you to do so is one reason why this journal is being published and why it is called Awake!
*** w85 7/1 p. 19 Jehovah’s Goodness in “the Final Part of the Days” ***
3 Yes, world leaders are talking about Armageddon. But do they realize what that Bible word means? Apparently not, for Armageddon is no man-made holocaust. It is God’s universal war by which he and his associate King, Jesus Christ, execute judgment upon wicked nations and wicked men. -
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What about JWs in other Nazi-occupied countries such as Poland and Austria?
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nelly136
this looks familiar
http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/article.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005394
the 25,000 to 30,000 Germans who in 1933 were Jehovah's Witnesses, an estimated 20,000 remained active through the Nazi period. The remainder fled Germany, renounced their faith, or confined their worship to the family. Of those remaining active, about half were convicted and sentenced at one time or another during the Nazi era for anywhere from one month to four years, with the average being about 18 months. Of those convicted or sentenced, between 2,000 to 2,500 were sent to concentration camps, as were a total of about 700 to 800 non-Germans Witnesses (this figure includes about 200-250 Dutch, 200 Austrians, 100 Poles, and between 10 and 50 Belgians, French, Czechs, and Hungarians).
The number of Jehovah's Witnesses who died in concentration camps and prisons during the Nazi era is estimated at 1,000 Germans and 400 from other countries, including about 90 Austrians and 120 Dutch. (The non-German Jehovah's Witnesses suffered a considerably higher percentage of deaths than their German co-religionists.) In addition, about 250 German Jehovah's Witnesses were executed--mostly after being tried and convicted by military tribunals--for refusing to serve in the German military.
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nelly136
this sites died now, it was a borg site
Contacts Mark Leigh or Paul Gillies Public Affairs Office for Jehovah's Witnesses Watch Tower House The Ridgeway LONDON NW7 1RN Tel: 020 8906 2211 Fax:020 8371 0051 e-mail: [email protected] http://web.archive.org/web/20010422142253/www.disc.co.uk/standfirm/overview02.htm
WHO WERE THEY? Among the millions of victims of Nazi terror were members of a Christian group called Jehovah's Witnesses, or Earnest Bible Students. When the Nazis came to power in 1933, about 25,000 Witnesses in Germany were targeted almost immediately as enemies of the State because they refused to support the Nazi ideology of hate. About 10,000 Witnesses suffered in Nazi prisons and camps. About 2,000 of them died ¾ a small number compared with the 11 million Jews, Poles, Roma and Sinti, and others who perished.
The Witnesses believe in giving primary loyalty to God and his Kingdom. Thus, although they are generally law abiding, they do not swear allegiance to secular governments, nor do they participate in political affairs or conflicts. Under the Hitler regime, this position motivated Witnesses' refusal to give the "Heil Hitler!" salute, to display the swastika flag, to join the Nazi Party and vote in elections, to perform military service, and to support war-related work.
The Witnesses were the first religious association to be banned in Nazi Germany. In 1933 their offices and printing facilities were raided and seized by the government. Tons of Bibles and pamphlets were confiscated and burned. Members were beaten and arrested for holding meetings and distributing religious literature. Witnesses were banned from holding civil service and teaching positions. Many were fired from jobs. Others had businesses and property confiscated. .....some of the archived links still work
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nelly136
soz LDH i always get things arse over apex :)
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LDH
Deb I loves ya babe, one of the more brilliant posters who often goes unnoticed as others fawn over nutsacks etc LOL.
The reason I ask is that Elsewhere posted a topic today "World Conspiracy against the Truth" in this WBTS publication entitled Kingdom News if you read it, on page two, one-fourth of the way down column two, it mentions that 6,000 JWs were thrown in prison and died via torture.
I wonder if Jehoober was asleep when the editors were preparing that issue???