Mr. John Gummer, UK parliament Rep, HATES JWs
by LDH 17 Replies latest jw friends
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Nathan Natas
Right on!
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slimboyfat
I noticed this a few years ago. He also seems to be quite ill-informed about Russell - probably been reading too much anti-Witness propaganda.
I actually emailed him about his comments a few years ago - and got no reply.
The interesting thing is that he is not particularly extreme within the party with regard to his political views in general. During the Thatcher era he was what was known at the time as a "wet", and he has recently come back into frontline politics because he has been useful to David Cameron in his promotion of "green issues" since Mr Gummer has a history of exhibiting concern over this subject.
He was also a supporter, I believe, along with Ann Widdecombe, of Ken Clarke once again in the most recent leadership contest - pity he never won.
Slim
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LittleToe
I hate those people—no, of course, I do not hate them, which shows the problem with the word "hate". Decent people do not hate, but people who judge whether or not people hate may say that what is stirred up in them is hatred. That is the problem with the definition of hatred. None of us would like to be accused of either hating or stirring others to hate, but I find it very difficult not to feel very strongly about Jehovah's Witnesses who—believing the words of a crook, Charles Taze Russell—kill babies by not giving them blood transfusions. If I were to say that outside the House, it would be considered as stirring hatred. I am not doing that, but it is not me who decides whether I am stirring hatred; someone else decides that I might be stirring hatred in someone else by using those words.
He's made an inaccurate causal link between Russell and blood transfusions, but other than that I feel he argued his point fairly well, regarding this Bill.
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hillary_step
I hate those people—no, of course, I do not hate them, which shows the problem with the word "hate". Decent people do not hate
In suggesting to the world that he is indeed a 'decent' person, John Gummer has set back the cause of cognitive reality several hundred years.
HS
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LittleToe
It's always about the personalities rather than the argument, isn't it?
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hillary_step
LT,
It's always about the personalities rather than the argument, isn't it?
I was not commenting on his argument, which I actually found to be a little extreme, I was commenting on his self-imposed title describing himself by default as 'decent'. Though those who expouse the cause of Tatcherism might agree with his description, those who saw his spineless and self-serving actions from another vantage might not agree.
If you would like me to comment on his arguments regarding the JW's as well, I can do that, but I had no idea that discussion forums were all about directed conversations.
You bossy little bugger.
HS
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mkr32208
Yeah Slim Russel wasn't a crook... Want to buy some 'miracle wheat?'
moron...
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LDH
I love Hillary Step!
Check your pms.
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hillary_step
Yeah Slim Russel wasn't a crook... Want to buy some 'miracle wheat?'
moron...
I presume that insult was directed at myself? If not, I do not apologize for my following comments, as you should have made clear the target of your comment. That goes for LT as well. The extemity that I allude to was in Gummer's use of the word 'hate' to describe millions of people not doctine, or quakery - a word which he recognized himself to be extreme in this particular argument. Of course, it would be hard for a person like yourself who is obviously a little slack between the ears to understand the nuances of such issues. So you carry on rifling your brain for an original thought, and let your betters do the thinking. HS